
School of War
This podcast seeks to learn what war teaches. There has been a steady decline in the study of military history and its associated theoretical discipline, strategy.This podcast seeks to fill that gap through in-depth interviews on military and diplomatic history. Our guests have included former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis, and former China Select Committee chairman Mike Gallagher. We discuss the battlefield commanders, diplomats, strategists, policymakers, and statesmen who have had to make wartime decisions in the ancient and modern eras. The subject of an episode may be an historical battle, campaign, or conflict; the conduct of policy in the course of a major international incident; the work of a famous strategist; the nature of a famous weapon; or the legacy of an important military commander or political leader. Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.Visit our Substack for episode transcriptsFollow along on Instagram
Latest episodes

Apr 30, 2024 • 48min
Ep 121: Andy Lowery on Drones and Directed Energy
Andy Lowery, CEO of EPIRUS and a retired U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander, joins the show to talk about directed energy weapons on the modern battlefield.▪️ Times • 01:45 Introduction • 02:02 Before EPIRUS • 06:29 Drones on the battlefield • 13:30 Current countermeasures • 19:40 An answer for autonomy • 21:32 How does it all work? • 29:54 Beam specs • 33:45 Sci-fi but familiar • 38:11 Gallium nitride • 40:31 Cat and mouse gameFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Apr 23, 2024 • 44min
Ep 120: Iskander Rehman on the Emperor Tiberius and American Primacy
Iskander Rehman discusses Emperor Tiberius' military career, drawing parallels with contemporary strategic challenges. Topics include Roman grand strategy, Pentagon funding, Tiberius' leadership, recruitment strategies, military adaptations against Parthia, and the maintenance of spheres of influence.

Apr 16, 2024 • 45min
Ep 119: Yaroslav Trofimov on the War in Ukraine
Yaroslav Trofimov, chief foreign-affairs correspondent at The Wall Street Journal and author of Our Enemies Will Vanish: The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence, joins the show to talk about the early days of Russia’s war in Ukraine, how the battlefield has evolved, and where the war may be headed.▪️ Times • 01:48 Introduction • 02:06 Growing up Ukranian • 05:03 The collapse of Kabul • 07:40 Leadership counts • 10:14 Zelensky • 16:20 How did Putin get Ukraine so wrong? • 19:49 Touch and go • 22:45 Draft confusion • 26:09 Battlefield evolution • 30:42 Countermeasures • 34:33 Washington’s tepid support • 38:11 Possible futures • 40:26 TrumpFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackBuy the book here - Our Enemies Will Vanish: The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence

Apr 9, 2024 • 37min
Ep 118: Michael Doran on Is Hamas Winning?
Michael Doran, Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East at the Hudson Institute and co-host of the podcast Counterbalance, joins the show to talk about the Israel-Hamas war and the broader regional competition with Iran.▪️ Times • 02:04 Introduction • 04:01 Is Hamas winning? • 10:29 Fighting the clocks • 13:10 Defeat from the jaws of victory • 18:24 An Iranian-American conflict • 22:44 Managing decline • 26:40 Lessons not learned • 33:00 The Iranian nuclear umbrellaFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Apr 2, 2024 • 46min
Ep 117: Shlomo Brody on the Ethics of War
Rabbi Shlomo Brody, executive director of Ematai and author of Ethics of Our Fighters: A Jewish View on War and Morality, joins the show to talk about the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas and the Jewish tradition of military ethics.▪️ Times • 01:28 Introduction • 04:04 Just war • 07:27 The Bible as a framework • 13:34 International service • 18:33 Reprisals • 21:37 Purity of arms • 27:09 Collateral damage • 33:41 International law • 35:48 Proportionality • 39:40 A dangerous ideology Follow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Mar 26, 2024 • 1h 3min
Ep 116: David Stahel on Guderian and Hitler’s Panzer Generals
David Stahel, associate professor of history at the University of New South Wales and author of Hitler's Panzer Generals: Guderian, Hoepner, Reinhardt and Schmidt Unguarded, joins the show to talk about Heinz Guderian, the myth and the man.▪️ Times • 01:38 Introduction • 02:57 Diving into the letters • 08:43 Debunking • 15:30 A sinister figure • 19:39 Achtung - Panzer! • 27:37 Guderian the Nazi • 33:42 Poland and France • 45:49 Russia • 50:50 Barbarossa bound to fail? • 54:48 Guderian the chameleon Follow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackBuy the book here - Hitler's Panzer Generals: Guderian, Hoepner, Reinhardt and Schmidt Unguarded

Mar 19, 2024 • 56min
Ep 115: Stephen Robinson on the Case against John Boyd
Stephen Robinson, author of The Blind Strategist: John Boyd and the American Art of War, joins the show to talk about Boyd, the man who developed the concept of “maneuver warfare,” and what Boyd may have gotten wrong.▪️ Times • 01:21 Introduction • 02:24 “A genuine polymath” • 04:20 The OODA Loop • 07:39 J.F.C. Fuller and B.H. Liddell Hart • 13:28 The conventional blitzkrieg • 19:26 Maneuver warfare • 25:01 Cannae • 29:07 Tactical success to operational failure • 34:07 Post-Vietnam U.S. military woes • 37:24 Active defense • 43:31 Skeptical of technology • 48:07 The Defense Reform Movement • 53:50 Iraqi FreedomFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackBuy the book here - The Blind Strategist: John Boyd and the American Art of War

Mar 12, 2024 • 57min
Ep 114: Eric Edelman on the Foundations of Nuclear Strategy (New Makers of Modern Strategy #11)
Eric Edelman, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy and Ambassador to Turkey and Finland, joins the show to talk about how nuclear strategic thinking began and how those debates resonate today.▪️ Times • 01:47 Introduction • 02:45 Oppenheimer’s Borden in reality • 07:00 Brodie and The Absolute Power • 11:12 Deterrence before Hiroshima • 13:15 Blackett and Fear, War, and the Bomb • 19:40 Counter-value vs counter-force • 37:33 Russian nuclear strategy • 42:44 Extended deterrence • 52:37 Pain tolerance Follow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Mar 5, 2024 • 44min
Ep 113: Rebeccah Heinrichs on Today’s Crisis of American Deterrence
Rebeccah Heinrichs, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and the director of its Keystone Defense Initiative, joins the show to talk about the state of U.S. deterrence of Russia, Iran, and China—and what Washington could be doing better.▪️ Times • 01:42 Introduction • 02:18 Conventional and strategic deterrence • 04:06 A failure of strategic deterrence • 09:38 Integrated deterrence • 13:33 Putin is committed to the bit • 15:36 If Russia wins, what’s it to the US? • 19:16 Options if Russia uses nuclear weapons • 24:06 The pendulum keeps swinging • 28:20 Washington’s confusion regarding Iran and Israel • 31:56 Red Sea adrift • 36:00 China and the rest • 40:01 Pacific flashpoints Follow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Feb 27, 2024 • 50min
Ep 112: Paul Scharre on AI 101
Paul Scharre, an authority on AI and military strategy, discusses the transformative impact of artificial intelligence on warfare. He explores how robotics and AI are reshaping battlefields, emphasizing their strategic advantages and ethical dilemmas. Scharre highlights the geopolitical significance of semiconductor production, particularly in Taiwan, and examines the double-edged nature of autonomous weapons. He also touches on AI's potential role in nuclear strategy, stressing the necessity of human oversight to prevent catastrophic errors.
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