
School of War
This podcast seeks to learn what war teaches. There has been a steady decline in the study of military history and its associated theoretical discipline, strategy.This podcast seeks to fill that gap through in-depth interviews on military and diplomatic history. Our guests have included former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis, and former China Select Committee chairman Mike Gallagher. We discuss the battlefield commanders, diplomats, strategists, policymakers, and statesmen who have had to make wartime decisions in the ancient and modern eras. The subject of an episode may be an historical battle, campaign, or conflict; the conduct of policy in the course of a major international incident; the work of a famous strategist; the nature of a famous weapon; or the legacy of an important military commander or political leader. Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.Visit our Substack for episode transcriptsFollow along on Instagram
Latest episodes

Feb 20, 2024 • 1h 7min
Ep 111: Prit Buttar on the Siege of Leningrad and War in the East
Prit Buttar, historian and author of To Besiege a City: Leningrad 1941–42, joins the show to talk about the siege of Leningrad and about the nature of war on the Eastern Front. ▪️ Times • 01:56 Introduction • 02:10 A familiar story • 06:09 Themes of the Eastern Front • 13:19 From Tsar to Stalin to Putin • 11:10 Barbarosa • 19:45 An immense scale • 27:29 Doctrinal failure • 33:17 Inside the Russian mindset • 37:21 The myth of the “Clean Wehrmacht” • 40:20 The siege • 49:15 Who stays? • 51:18 How did the Germans fail? • 01:03:25 Staying vigilantFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackBuy the book here - To Besiege a City: Leningrad 1941–42

Feb 13, 2024 • 47min
Ep 110: Thomas Mahnken on Net Assessment
Thomas Mahnken, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, joins the show to talk about net assessment and the future of war.▪️ Times • 01:39 Introduction • 02:02 An interesting journey • 03:33 The Office of Net Assessment • 09:49 A tool, not a solution • 13:19 Both quantity and quality matter • 15:05 Soviet thinking • 19:20 Leveraging insight • 23:11 Potential outcomes • 28:35 “The Houthis have friends.” • 33:19 Danger and opportunity • 37:20 The terms of success change • 43:14 Solving the problem of the momentFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Feb 6, 2024 • 55min
Ep 109: John Noonan on Nuclear Weapons and Policy
John Noonan, senior advisor at POLARIS National Security, discusses all things nuclear including the life of a missileer, the current U.S. arsenal and its production problems, the strategy of deterrence, and how Congressional oversight impacts good government.

Jan 30, 2024 • 1h 11min
Ep 108: Donald L. Miller on Masters of the Air
Donald L. Miller, historian and author of Masters of the Air: America's Bomber Boys Who Fought the Air War Against Nazi Germany, the book behind Apple TV+’s Masters of the Air, joins the show to talk about the air war over Europe during WWII.▪️ Times • 01 :41 Introduction • 02:12 Growing up “surrounded by the war” • 15:35 Both sides are losing • 25:23 Highest percentage of casualties • 34:36 Mass vs mass • 37:20 A new battlefield • 42:49 “Almost nothing held up.” • 44:46 Robert Rosenthal • 48:57 Working with Tom Hanks • 53:51 Recreating air combat • 56:02 Gil Cohen, Greyhound, and Das Boot • 59:44 Narrative choices • 01:06:36 The stress of commandFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackBuy the book here - Masters of the Air: America's Bomber Boys Who Fought the Air War Against Nazi Germany

Jan 23, 2024 • 52min
Ep 107: John Orloff on Masters of the Air
John Orloff, creator, writer and co-executive producer of Apple TV+’s Masters of the Air, joins Aaron to talk about the new show highlighting the WWII experiences of the men of the 100th Bomb Group, a part of the 8th Air Force’s strategic bombing campaign over Europe. Masters of the Air streams January 26th only on Apple TV+.▪️Times
02:25 Introduction
03:00 Getting started
05:45 Band of Brothers
12:56 Finding the story
19:44 Masters of the Air
24:37 Core characters
30:12 Group level
32:11 Influences
37:38 Production challenges
40:25 Procedure as drama
43:50 Unique trauma
48:20 Casting
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Jan 16, 2024 • 1h 2min
Ep 106: John McManus on the U.S. Army’s Pacific War
John McManus, author of To the End of the Earth: The US Army and the Downfall of Japan, 1945 and host of the We Have Ways of Making You Talk in the USA podcast, joins the show to talk about why the U.S. Army’s war in the Pacific during WWII merit deeper study and recognition.▪️Times • 02:12 Introduction • 03:57 Lessons to be learned • 05:32 The Army from Pearl to Tokyo • 08:50 Winds of change • 14:07 Europe first • 21:16 Taiwan or the Philippines? • 27:55 Battleground Manila • 30:48 Bleeding the Americans • 34:56 Failures in China • 40:33 Chiang Kai-shek • 45:07 Okinawa • 48:06 Operation Downfall • 52:24 Revisionist and reductionist history • 55:19 Required readingFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

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Jan 9, 2024 • 53min
Ep 105: Dmitry Filipoff on Modern Naval Tactics
Dmitry Filipoff, head of online content at the Center for International Maritime Security, discusses modern naval tactics and U.S. Navy readiness against the PLA Navy. He highlights the evolution in naval warfare, particularly the rise of anti-ship missiles and Distributed Maritime Operations. Filipoff also critiques aircraft carriers' roles and the need for improved Navy readiness through realistic combat exercises. He delves into PLA Navy advancements, emphasizing that their innovative strategies pose a significant challenge to U.S. maritime dominance.

Jan 2, 2024 • 60min
Ep 104: Peter Feaver on “Wokeness,” Politics, and the Military
Peter Feaver, Professor of Political Science and Public Policy at Duke University and author of Thanks For Your Service: The Causes and Consequences of Public Confidence in the US Military, joins the show to talk about the state of civil-military relations in America, and to call for a truce on the issue of “wokism.”▪️Times • 01:46 Introduction • 2:40 Precedents • 4:18 Citizen soldier to today • 11:40 Expanding fissures • 18:46 Downsides to a high approval rating • 25:04 Isolationism and “wokeness” • 33:56 Sloppy discourse • 38:16 An echo of the ’90s • 41:11 Progress • 48:28 Race/Sexuality/Gender • 55:03 A bit of Sparta in AthensFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Dec 19, 2023 • 52min
Ep 103: Sean Mirski on American Hegemony
Sean Mirski, author of We May Dominate the World: Ambition, Anxiety, and the Rise of the American Colossus, joins the show to talk about how the United States came to its global position and China’s attempts to match it.▪️Times • 01:40 Introduction • 2:22 An accidental project • 6:41 The view from Washington • 13:18 American paranoia • 16:43 Post Civil War Mexico • 22:04 Smedley Butler • 24:46 The problem of order • 31:12 After WWI • 33:04 Strategic vulnerabilities • 38:32 Regional hegemony • 44:51 A desire to dominate • 48:36 A lesson and a warning Here is a link to the article discussed todayFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Dec 12, 2023 • 48min
Ep 102: Paul Edgar on the Warfare of the Ancient Near East
Paul Edgar, Executive Director of the Clements Center for National Security and U.S. Army veteran, shares his insights on ancient Near Eastern warfare. He delves into the evolution of battle tactics, emphasizing the historical continuity of military strategies. Edgar also highlights the importance of understanding ancient military history for modern geopolitics, revealing how past conflicts inform current international relations. With anecdotes from his military background, he bridges the gap between the ancient and present-day political landscapes.
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