
Open Market
Open Market is a podcast about building companies in the advertising space. This is not another news podcast. Rather, hosts Eric Franchi and Joe Zappa will dive deep into the stories of successful companies and growth strategies to help listeners understand how to replicate that success. For example, how did Eric build Undertone to a $180M exit? How would you reverse-engineer a $10M adtech exit? Why do you need a chief audience officer? Entrepreneurs, execs, and GTM professionals in advertising should walk away from each week’s episode with new ideas on how to build their companies.
Latest episodes

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Jun 11, 2025 • 25min
Are Ads or Micropayments the Future of the Open Internet?
The hosts debate whether micropayments could become the go-to monetization model, shifting away from traditional ads. They explore the relationship between AI advancements and advertising, considering the impact on content creators. Insights into a key tech acquisition highlight the evolving landscape, while critiques of advertising practices call for authentic content. Plus, practical marketing tips for startups focus on staying consistent, responding to criticism strategically, and connecting meaningfully with audiences.

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Jun 4, 2025 • 28min
LUMA Recap and the 4 Big Advertising Trends
Diving into major advertising trends, the hosts discuss the shift towards outcome-based metrics in the ad market and the surge of AI-driven startups. They explore the struggles of traditional ad tech against the backdrop of an evolving open internet. The rise of creators is emphasized as a pivotal force in this landscape. With a focus on transparency and collaboration, the conversation highlights how an optimistic mindset can drive innovation and efficiency in the industry.

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May 28, 2025 • 38min
SWYM Messaging Workshop with CEO Ravi Patel
Joe Zappa and Eric Franchi workshop to SWYM story in real-time, unearthing with Ravi Patel how to describe SWYM's differentiated approach to its eponymous mission: helping advertisers to stop wasting their money. They discuss the many curation / quality plays out there and how SWYM differs as well as the evolution from ad buying 1.0 to 2.0 to (now) 3.0. Plus, Joe tries to find out what Ravi and Eric need to stop wasting their money on (to little avail).

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May 21, 2025 • 30min
Retail Media Messaging Workshop with Kevel CEO James Avery
James Avery, CEO of Kevel, discusses the evolution of his company and the retail media landscape. He highlights the challenges retailers face in digital advertising and the need for innovative solutions. The conversation delves into effective marketing strategies, emphasizing counter-positioning against industry giants. Avery shares insights on future advancements in commerce and the importance of consistent messaging. Expect a detailed look at how technology is reshaping attribution and measurement in the retail space.

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May 14, 2025 • 27min
How to Turn Your Value Prop into a Story
Discover how to turn your company's value proposition into a captivating story that draws in customers. Explore the importance of simplicity in B2B marketing and how it fosters trust and engagement. Learn the significance of accountability in advertising narratives and the shift towards meaningful metrics. Delve into the benefits of building long-term professional relationships, and how real-world experience can triumph over traditional education methods. Plus, enjoy a humorous tale about an unexpected encounter with a bear that adds a light-hearted twist!

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May 7, 2025 • 39min
Is It POSSIBLE for Jeff Green to Crush it on LinkedIn?
The vibrant atmosphere of a recent advertising event drew massive attention, igniting discussions on its growth and significance over the years. Hosts humorously critique Jeff Green's LinkedIn presence, suggesting he needs a strategic makeover. They explore the balance between planned meetings and spontaneous networking at conferences, highlighting the dynamics of meaningful connections. Additionally, the rise of CEOs engaging on social media is examined, emphasizing the necessity of a strong online presence for shaping brand narratives in today's tech landscape.

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Apr 30, 2025 • 33min
The Next $1B Commerce Media Business with PayPal Ads GM Dr. Mark Grether
Dr. Mark Grether joins the pod to talk about the four components of a massive commerce media business, how to maximize the opportunity for advertisers, why he joined PayPal to build their commerce media network after building Uber's ad business to $1B in revenue, and how AI is changing commerce media for advertisers, media owners, and consumers.

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Apr 23, 2025 • 30min
From Brand Safety to Suitability with Michael Bishop and Rich Raddon
OpenAds CTO (and former Moat engineer) Michael Bishop and Zefr CEO Rich Raddon join Eric and Joe to discuss the evidence-based case (or lack thereof) for brand safety, why we should shift our mindset from safety to suitability and contextual targeting, the link between suitability and performance, and how AI is changing the space. Plus, Michael drops the term "poststructuralist" on the pod, a philosophical allusion for the ages.

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Apr 16, 2025 • 49min
AI, Work Productivity Gaps, and Customer Experience with Crosshatch CEO Soren Larson
Soren Larson, CEO of Crosshatch, shares his insights on how AI is reshaping venture scaling and business growth. He dives into the transformative effects of LLMs on customer experience, emphasizing personalization over mere data management. The conversation also touches on the evolving landscape of venture capital amid AI's influence, and the balance between job disruption and new opportunities in the workforce. Plus, Soren reveals his newfound passion for cars, and the hosts delve into the intriguing world of VC secret societies.

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Apr 9, 2025 • 49min
The OpenAI Ad Opportunity, Second-Time Founders, and Reading Your Coworkers
The hosts dive into the potential for OpenAI to delve into a massive ad business despite their claims to the contrary. They discuss how AI is reshaping productivity, especially for knowledge workers, and the unique advantages second-time founders have in ad tech. Insights into navigating team dynamics with AI and how personality tests like the Enneagram play a role in professional relationships are explored. The evolving landscape of advertising, driven by tech advancements, sets the stage for future innovations.