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Tom Schimmer
The Tom Schimmer Podcast is a show about learning, leadership, and life. Primarily, it’s a podcast that focuses on current topics in K-12 education. Each week, Tom Schimmer (a best-selling education author, keynote speaker, and consultant) will lean on his 30 years of experience to keep listeners informed and entertained on the prevailing stories dominating the conversations about teaching and learning. This podcast also focuses on educational leadership by exploring how leaders can truly engineer a culture of continued professional growth. Occasionally, this podcast will explore the pursuit of success and happiness as it relates to any walk of life. Through a mix of interviews, commentary, current news stories, questions from listeners, and other segments, listeners will be well-equipped to meet the needs of learners regardless of what role they serve.
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Jul 10, 2023 • 50min
Mindset Minute | Julie Schmidt Hasson | Now is the Time
In the Mindset Minute (2:22) - a new segment - Tom asserts that the power of positive thinking is as much about the present as it is about the future. Then (6:35) Tom is joined by educator and author Julie Schmidt Hasson to discuss her latest offering, "Pause, Ponder, and Persist in the Classroom: How Teachers Turn Challenges into Opportunities for Impact." Finally, in Assessment Corner (44:48), Tom makes the case for why now - the summer - is the perfect time to build your assessment literacy.
Julie on Twitter
Julie on Instagram
Julie on LinkedIn
Chalk & Chances on Facebook
www.chalkandchances.com
"Pause, Poner, & Persist"
"Safe, Seen, & Stretched"
UPCOMING EVENTS
Grading from the Inside Out
Jonesboro, AR (Sep. 25-26)
Grading from the Inside Out
Charleston, SC (Oct. 11-12)
Standards-Based Learning in Action
Seattle, WA (Oct. 16-17)
Grading from the Inside Out
St. Louis, MO (Dec. 6-7)
NEW BOOKS BY TOM:
"Redefining Student Accountability" (NEW)
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
"Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Podcast on Twitter
Tom on Twitter
Podcast on Instagram
Podcast on TikTok
Podcast on Facebook
www.tomschimmer.com
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com

Jun 7, 2023 • 52min
BONUS: New BC Reporting Order
In this bonus episode, Tom offers his perspective on the New Reporting Order in British Columbia set to be implemented in the 2023-24 school year. In PART 1, Tom highlights the backstory and development (and poor messaging) surrounding the implementation of the new curriculum when it was first developed several years ago. In PART 2 (15:15), Tom takes aim at the obsession some have with percentage-based grading and why it is an unreliable, inaccurate, and incomplete way of assessing. In PART 3 (35:04), Tom offers his critiques of the new reporting order, specifically at the assertion made in documents to families from the BC Ministry of Education that "Proficient is the goal for your child" and that "Extending is not the goal for all students in every area of learning."
New BC Curriculum
New BC Reporting Order
Information for Parents & Caregivers
UPCOMING EVENTS
Grading from the Inside Out
Jonesboro, AR (Sep. 25-26)
Grading from the Inside Out
Charleston, SC (Oct. 11-12)
Standards-Based Learning in Action
Seattle, WA (Oct. 16-17)
Grading from the Inside Out
St. Louis, MO (Dec. 6-7)
NEW BOOKS BY TOM:
"Redefining Student Accountability" (NEW)
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
"Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Podcast on Twitter
Tom on Twitter
Podcast on Instagram
Podcast on TikTok
Podcast on Facebook
www.tomschimmer.com
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com

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May 22, 2023 • 1h 11min
Reset on Failure | Dylan Wiliam (Pt. 2) | Fake Grading War
In this podcast, Tom Schimmer is joined by Dylan Wiliam, an expert in classroom assessment. They discuss the need for a societal reset on failure, the importance of feedback and its impact on learning, collaborative learning and promoting collaboration, exploring the definition of curriculum, and challenging arguments against standards-based grading.

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May 8, 2023 • 60min
Exceptions Prove the Rule | Dylan Wiliam | Cumulative Effect
Dylan Wiliam, Expert in classroom assessment, joins Tom Schimmer to discuss the irony of formative assessment, providing tools to teachers, maintaining students' enthusiasm, and evaluating understanding for grading. They emphasize the cumulative effect of instruction on students' progress and achievement.

Apr 24, 2023 • 53min
Can vs Should | Shaunak Roy | Redefining Student Accountability (2)
In Don’t @ Me (1:45), Tom opens by contrasting the difference between what we can do and what we should do in education, especially with ChatGPT. Then (8:43) Tom is joined by Shaunak Roy, founder of Yellowdig, a community-driven active and experiential learning platform. Finally, in Assessment Corner (45:24), in part 2 of 2, Tom shares more details about his latest book, "Redefining Student Accountability: A Proactive Approach to Teaching Behavior Outside the Gradebook."
Shaunak on Twitter
Shaunak on LinkedIn
www.yellowdig.co
UPCOMING EVENTS
Assessment Center Institute
Las Vegas, NV (May 24-26).
NEW BOOKS BY TOM:
"Redefining Student Accountability" (April 2023)
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
"Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Podcast on Twitter
Tom on Twitter
Podcast on Instagram
Podcast on TikTok
Podcast on Facebook
www.tomschimmer.com
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com

Apr 10, 2023 • 58min
Less is More | Eric Sheninger | Redefining Student Accountability
In Don’t @ Me (2:11), Tom opens by reminding listeners that when it comes to making an argument in favour of something, or when you are trying to convince others to change to a more favourable practice, less is more! Then (9:47) Tom is joined by author Eric Sheninger to discuss his 2021 book, "Disruptive Thinking: Preparing Learners for Their Future." Finally, in Assessment Corner (47:11), Tom, in part 1 of 2, shares details about his latest book, "Redefining Student Accountability: A Proactive Approach to Teaching Behavior Outside the Gradebook."
Eric on Twitter
Eric on Instagram
Eric on Facebook
Eric on LinkedIn
Eric's Blog
www.ericsheninger.com
UPCOMING EVENTS
SBLA 2-Day Training
Idaho Falls, ID (April 13-14)
Assessment & Grading Conference
Atlanta, GA (April 24-26)
GFIO 2-Day
Salt Lake City, UT (April 26-27)
Assessment Center Institute
Las Vegas, NV (May 24-26).
NEW BOOKS BY TOM:
"Redefining Student Accountability" (April 2023)
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
"Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Podcast on Twitter
Tom on Twitter
Podcast on Instagram
Podcast on TikTok
Podcast on Facebook
www.tomschimmer.com
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com

Mar 27, 2023 • 1h 7min
Thank you! | Ron Ritchhart | Idea Cults in Assessment
In Don’t @ Me (2:19), Tom celebrates episode 100 with a thank you to listeners. Then (7:50) Tom is joined by researcher and author Dr. Ron Ritchhart to discuss how we develop cultures of thinking in our classrooms. Finally, in Assessment Corner (57:06), Tom cautions listeners against idea cults that can emerge in discussions about assessment and grading that lack nuance and context.
Ron on Twitter
Ron on Facebook
www.ronritchhart.com
UPCOMING EVENTS
SBLA 2-Day Training
Idaho Falls, ID (April 13-14)
Assessment & Grading Conference
Atlanta, GA (April 24-26)
GFIO 2-Day
Salt Lake City, UT (April 26-27)
Assessment Center Institute
Las Vegas, NV (May 24-26).
NEW BOOKS BY TOM:
"Redefining Student Accountability" (April 2023)
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
"Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Podcast on Twitter
Tom on Twitter
Podcast on Instagram
Podcast on TikTok
Podcast on Facebook
Website: www.tomschimmer.com
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com

Mar 13, 2023 • 51min
ChatGPT in Education | Jessica Vance | ChatGPT & Assessment
In Don’t @ Me (2:17), Tom discusses the pros & cons of ChatGPT in K-12 education. Then (8:23) Tom is joined by author Jessica Vance to discuss her book, "Leading with a Lens of Inquiry." Finally, in Assessment Corner (43:16), Tom highlights ten ways ChatGPT can be used for classroom assessment.
Jessica on Twitter
Jessica on Instagram
www.leadingwithinquiry.com
UPCOMING EVENTS
GFIO Virtual 2-Day
April 4 & 11
SBLA 2-Day Training
Idaho Falls, ID (April 13-14)
Assessment & Grading Conference
Atlanta, GA (April 24-26)
GFIO 2-Day
Salt Lake City, UT (April 26-27)
Assessment Center Institute
Las Vegas, NV (May 24-26).
NEW BOOKS BY TOM:
"Redefining Student Accountability" (April 2023)
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
"Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Podcast on Twitter
Tom on Twitter
Podcast on Instagram
Podcast on TikTok
Podcast on Facebook
Website: www.tomschimmer.com
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com

Feb 27, 2023 • 1h 8min
Last Thing You Said | Shelley Moore | Portfolios
In Don’t @ Me (2:37), Tom asked listeners to consider the question, "what's the last thing you said to yourself about yourself?" Then (10:11) Tom is joined by author and speaker, Shelley Moore to discuss the important aspects of equity, inclusion, & UDL. Finally, in Assessment Corner (57:47), Tom highlights why knowing its purpose is the most important part of implementing a portfolio system.
Shelley on Twitter
Shelley on Instagram
Shelley on Facebook
Shelley on YouTube
Shelley's Podcast
www.fivemooreminutes.com
UPCOMING EVENTS
Summit on PLC at Work
Phoenix, AZ (Feb. 28 – 2)
GFIO Virtual 2-Day
April 4 & 11
SBLA 2-Day Training
Idaho Falls, ID (April 13-14)
Assessment & Grading Conference
Atlanta, GA (April 24-26)
GFIO 2-Day
Salt Lake City, UT (April 26-27)
Assessment Center Institute
Las Vegas, NV (May 24-26).
NEW BOOKS BY TOM:
"Redefining Student Accountability" (April 2023)
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
"Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Podcast on Twitter
Tom on Twitter
Podcast on Instagram
Podcast on TikTok
Podcast on Facebook
Website: www.tomschimmer.com
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com

Feb 13, 2023 • 1h 3min
Impact Update | Rob Dunlop | Overrater Explains
In Don’t @ Me (2:31), Tom provides an "impact" update, an update on how his #OneWord challenge is going so far. Then (9:20) Tom is joined by author Rob Dunlop to discuss his latest book, "Strive for Happiness in Education." Finally, in Assessment Corner (56:38), Tom provides a mantra to follow when there is a discrepancy between the student's self-assessment and the teacher's assessment.
Rob on Twitter
Rob on Instagram
Rob on Facebook
Rob on LinkedIn
www.motivatedu.com
UPCOMING EVENTS
Summit on PLC at Work
Phoenix, AZ (Feb. 28 – 2)
GFIO Virtual 2-Day
April 4 & 11
SBLA 2-Day Training
Idaho Falls, ID (April 13-14)
Assessment & Grading Conference
Atlanta, GA (April 24-26)
GFIO 2-Day
Salt Lake City, UT (April 26-27)
Assessment Center Institute
Las Vegas, NV (May 24-26).
NEW BOOKS BY TOM:
"Redefining Student Accountability" (April 2023)
"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
"Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast
TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast
Facebook: Schimmer Education
Website: www.tomschimmer.com