
We're Not Marketers
B2B product marketers in SaaS businesses are feeling misunderstood. Struggling to position what they do internally. Colleagues not having one clear idea what they do either.
What if there was a better way? This is We're Not Marketers.
The new podcast for SaaSy B2B product marketers who want CEO buy-in on what they do. Get the weekly masterclass without the inflated tuition and entry-level requirements, just to get your foot in the door.
Stop being overlooked and start listening.
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Latest episodes

May 23, 2024 • 29min
What B2B product marketers can learn from B2C w/ Carlota Güell
Timestamps00:00 Introduction and Host Intros01:07 Meet Our Guest: Carlota Guell03:28 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?08:18 B2B vs B2C Marketing Insights20:36 The Emotional Buying Pyramid24:22 Fun Lightning Round with Carlota26:43 Closing Remarks and Where to Find Carlota Show NotesProduct Marketing Stories podcastCarlota Guell's LinkedIn profile Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

May 16, 2024 • 47min
The unconventional highway to product marketing w/ Harvey Lee
Timestamps:00:00 Welcome to the Misfit Podcast: Unveiling the World of Product Marketing00:16 Special Guest Harvey Lee: From Business to Rockstar01:45 The Great Debate: Are Marketers Really Marketers?05:14 A Dive into Marketing History with the McElroy Memo12:01 The Evolution of Product Marketing in the Digital Age18:43 Navigating the Pathways to Becoming a Full Stack Marketer21:45 The Journey from Sales, CS, to Product Marketing: A Comparative Analysis26:42 Debunking Marketing Myths: Beyond 'Build It and They Will Come'27:58 The Importance of Marketing Training and Accessibility28:51 Harvey's Journey: Leaving PMA and Embracing Advisory Roles34:16 The Power of Fit in Hiring and Career Growth38:29 Mastering Product Marketing: Skills, Training, and Community41:13 Harvey Lee's Insights: Full Stack Marketing and Beyond44:16 Connecting with Harvey Lee: Books, Awards, and More Show Notes: Below the Waterline NewsletterGet his book Backstage PassHarvey's WebsiteHarvey's LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

May 9, 2024 • 48min
Standing tall in a "layoff-heavy" PMM job market w/ Yi Lin Pei
Show Notes0:00 Standing tall in a "layoff-heavy" PMM job market w/ Yi Lin Pei00:00 Welcome to the Misfit Podcast: Unveiling Product Marketing Mysteries00:17 Introducing Yi Lin Pei: From Visual Artist to Product Marketing Pro03:03 The Unique Role of Product Marketers: Strategists, Not Just Marketers06:07 Mastering Product Marketing: Strategies for Success and Growth10:15 The Torture Chamber Game: Tough Choices for a Product Marketer21:05 Navigating Layoffs: Yi Lin's Perspective and Support for PMMs21:39 Navigating the Challenging Job Market: Strategies and Insights22:51 Differentiation in Job Applications: Standing Out in a Competitive Market23:37 Career Switching Advice: Embracing Stepping Stone Roles24:45 Personal Success Stories: Leveraging Unique Backgrounds for Career Advancement27:15 The Importance of Differentiation Throughout the Hiring Process32:03 Advocacy and Representation: Addressing Underrepresentation in Tech38:35 Leadership and Advocacy: Supporting Underrepresented Groups in the Workplace44:07 Yi Lin's PMM Superpower and Final Thoughts Resources:Courageous Careers NewsletterPositioning for Growth podcastYi Lin Pei LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

May 2, 2024 • 35min
Why we faked the pod’s “end of life” last month? Emotional engagement.
Timestamps:00:00 Welcome to Season 2: The Unforgettable Comeback00:55 The Big Reveal: Why We Faked Our Podcast's Death02:59 Emotional Engagement and Its Impact05:22 The Aftermath: Listener Reactions and Personal Reflections12:53 Introducing the Newsletter: A New Way to Engage15:52 The Misfit Community: Engaging with Our Audience17:17 Kicking Off with Casual Banter17:48 Deep Dive into Emotional Engagement20:02 Exploring Product Marketing Challenges24:58 Personal Growth and Professional Evolution27:05 Embracing the Consulting Journey33:06 Wrapping Up and Looking Forward Show notes:We’re Not Marketers WebsiteDying 4 Influence NewsletterRuben Studdard’s Sorry 2004Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Mar 28, 2024 • 1h 7min
How we've reached 2500 podcast downloads in 4 months with a $300 budget
Timestamps:01:45 WNM origin story05:40 How we came up with the name14:00 The skeleton branding26:09 Consistency and humor in our marketing31:28 Consistency in podcasting34:43 Our differentiation and favorite guests48:10 Survey results with Adam McQueen from Klue01:03:14 Final verdict and end of the podcast? Show Notes:The original We’re Not Marketers postAdam McQueen LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Mar 14, 2024 • 36min
Don’t review messaging internally, message test instead w/ Peep Laja
Timestamps:01:39 The role of product marketing in the B2B landscape03:14 Why website ownership and conversion rates matter for PMMs04:42 Challenges and strategies to be aware when managing website messaging06:52 The evolution and future of message testing07:22 CEO's Role as a product Marketer in Startups09:53 Why messaging is underestimated in B2B13:05 Message testing and market trends16:24 Advices for solo PMM on messaging19:38 How to improve your message clarity and relevance20:56 How to leverage customer feedback with your messaging24:29 How Peep is building influence and engaging on LinkedIn26:43 What makes Spryng different from other B2B events29:42 The Messaging Torture Chamber34:19 Where to find Peep and learn more from him Show Notes:WynterHemingway AppSales Pitch by April DunfordB2B Messaging courseSpryng event Peep LinkedIn Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Mar 7, 2024 • 35min
How PMMs can tie revenue with competitive intelligence w/ Clara Smyth
Timestamps:02:47 Clara's Journey into Competitive Intelligence03:45 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?05:10 The Role of Competitive Intelligence in Revenue Generation08:01 The Importance of Being Selfless in Product Marketing10:33 Ideal Structure for Competitive Intelligence13:02 Misconceptions about Competitive Intelligence16:22 The Power of Competitive Intelligence Newsletters19:21 Building a Content Creation Team21:31 Investing in Competitive Intelligence25:23 The Evolution of Competitive Intelligence28:20 Handling Internal Requests and Prioritizing Competitors34:00 Special Projects and Where to Find Clara Show Notes:Clara LinkedIn Back Office to Boardroom SpotifyBack Office to Boardroom Apple PodcastsHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Feb 29, 2024 • 57min
Let’s get clear about product messaging w/ Zach Messler
Timestamps: 01:30 Zach Messler's Background and Journey03:20 The Big Question: Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?09:26 Zach's Philosophy and Approach to Marketing18:27 The Importance of Clarity in Messaging20:11 The Hierarchy of Clarity24:56 The Power of Context in Messaging30:31 The Importance of Context in Problem-Solution Approach31:44 The Role of Product Marketers and Its Challenges32:28 Strategies to Enhance Product Marketing Role33:12 The Power of Negotiation in Product Marketing37:31 The Impact of Trade Shows in Product Marketing39:52 The Art of Messaging in Product Marketing48:23 The Essence of Product Messaging Show notes:Zach LinkedIn Never split the difference by Christopher VossClarity RulesHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Feb 22, 2024 • 39min
How to use data to tell a better story in B2B
Timestamps:00:24 The Importance of Data in Marketing05:12 Effective Storytelling with Data07:20 The Power of Positioning and Market Insight11:57 The Balance Between Creativity and Metrics16:42 The Challenges of Data Analytics in Product Marketing21:17 Measuring Podcasts for Thought Leadership24:00 The Problem of Instant Gratification28:20 The Importance of Balance in Growth31:26 The Role of Data in Guiding Initiatives33:21 The Power of Gut Feeling and Hard Work Show Notes:April Dunford Positioning PodcastFletchPMM Notion CheatsheetDevin Reed LinkedInProductivePMM Notion HubHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Feb 15, 2024 • 35min
Securing quick wins by building internal relationships w/ Collin Mayjack
Timestamps:01:37: Transitioning from non-profit to tech2:02: Collin's background as a preacher up to product marketing4:47: Are product marketers actually marketers?7:32: Collin's approach as a founding PMM09:32: Defining product marketing in a new role11:16: The importance of building relationships12:29: Balancing short-term and long-term goals14:30: Leadership in product marketing16:25: The importance of building credibility18:12: Setting boundaries and building respect21:11: The rule of reciprocity in product marketing23:51: Sharing and building credibility 27:38: Lightning round Show Notes:Collin LinkedInHosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.