
Real Wealth Show: Real Estate Investing Podcast
Smart real estate investing will give you the time and the money to live life on your own terms! We call that real wealth. Host Kathy Fettke is Co-CEO of Real Wealth Network, author of the best selling “Retire Rich with Rentals" and the host of companion podcast, Real Estate News for Investors.
Kathy Fettke launched this podcast in 2003 to share her own secrets and those of top experts in the real estate investing field. She along with guests like Robert Kiyosaki, Peter Schiff, Doug Duncan, John Burns, Bruce Norris & other rising real estate stars offer insights on the creation of passive income through real estate, and how to avoid costly mistakes.
Learn how to build a portfolio outside the stock market with buy-and-hold strategies, single-family rentals, multi-family properties, syndicated deals, self-directed IRAs and 401ks, the highly-revered 1031 exchange, private money lending, creative financing, and much more in this podcast! Whether you're on the go, listening in your ca...
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Jan 28, 2025 • 33min
Trump’s Housing Policies & 2025 Market Predictions with Redfin’s Chen Zhao
In this episode of The Real Wealth Show, host Kathy Fettke engages in a comprehensive discussion with Redfin's Senior Economist, Chen Zhao, to analyze President Trump's recent executive order aimed at addressing housing affordability and its potential effects on the 2025 housing market. They delve into Redfin's latest market predictions, covering anticipated trends in home prices, inventory levels, and sales activities. The conversation also explores the implications for mortgage rates, housing affordability, climate-related risks, and the insurance sector. Additionally, they assess the prospective impact on real estate agents in light of the recent National Association of Realtors (NAR) ruling. This episode offers valuable insights for investors and industry professionals seeking to navigate the evolving real estate landscape in 2025.
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Jan 23, 2025 • 44min
Tackling the Housing Affordability Crisis: Insights from Zillow & Moody’s Economists
Housing affordability is one of the most pressing challenges facing Americans today. With rising mortgage rates, a national housing deficit, and inflation putting pressure on wallets, many are struggling to balance housing costs with other financial goals. In this episode of The Real Wealth Show, Kathy Fettke dives deep into the affordability crisis with two renowned economists: Orphe Divounguy, Senior Economist at Zillow, and Lu Chen, Senior Economist at Moody’s.
Together, they explore critical questions like:
How much are Americans spending on housing, and what makes them "financially burdened"?
Is the easing rent-to-income ratio a sustainable trend for renters?
Is it better to remain a renter vs buying in certain markets today?
The conversation also sheds light on migratory patterns, economic ripple effects, and potential solutions for the affordability crisis. Whether you're a renter, buyer, investor, or simply concerned about the state of housing in the U.S., this episode provides valuable insights and actionable advice to navigate today’s market.
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Jan 21, 2025 • 26min
Trump’s Housing Market Policies: What Homebuyers, Renters, and Investors Need to Know
With the Trump administration taking office on January 20th, the housing market is poised for potential changes that could affect homebuyers, renters, and real estate investors alike. In this episode of The Real Wealth Show, Kathy Fettke is joined by economist and Assistant Director at Moody’s Analytics, Matt Walsh, to discuss how the Trump administration’s housing and economic policies could reshape the landscape.
We’ll cover critical topics like:
How tariffs could impact construction costs.
The effect of Trump’s immigration policies on labor and housing demand.
Expectations for inflation, Fed rate changes, and their effect on mortgages and rentals.
Housing supply and affordability under the new administration.
Potential changes to FHA, VA, Freddie Mac, and Fannie Mae programs.
What investors, first-time homebuyers, and renters need to know about these shifts.
If you’re wondering how these changes could impact your real estate strategy in 2025, don’t miss this deep dive into the housing market and economic policies of the Trump administration.
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Jan 16, 2025 • 25min
Who’s Buying Real Estate in 2025? Insights from Zillow’s Trends Expert
Who’s buying real estate in 2025? In this episode of The Real Wealth Show, Kathy Fettke sits down with Zillow’s Trends Expert, Amanda Pendleton, to explore the latest homebuying trends. Discover who’s driving the market, from demographics like age and income to regional hotspots. Learn how today’s buyers are navigating high-interest rates, what features are topping their wish lists, and how preferences are shifting in this evolving landscape. Whether you’re a first-time homebuyer, investor, or real estate professional, Amanda shares invaluable tips for finding success in today’s challenging market.
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Jan 15, 2025 • 26min
2025 Commercial Real Estate and Economic Outlook: Insights from CBRE’s Top Economist
What’s in store for commercial real estate and the economy in 2025? Join Kathy Fettke as she sits down with Richard Barkham, CBRE’s Global Chief Economist, to unpack the 2025 U.S. Real Estate Market Outlook. This episode explores expert insights on multifamily demand, interest rates, inflation, and the factors shaping growth across key sectors. Richard will also share his thoughts on the Trump Administration and how new policies could impact the economy and housing market. Gain a deeper understanding of the trends and dynamics set to influence the real estate landscape in the year ahead.
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CBRE'S U.S Real Estate Market Outlook 2025: https://www.cbre.com/insights/books/us-real-estate-market-outlook-2025
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Jan 10, 2025 • 25min
Why Investor Confidence is Plummeting: Insights for Real Estate in 2025 with Rick Sharga
Investor confidence has hit a new low, according to the latest report from CJ Patrick and RCN. In this episode of The Real Wealth Show, Kathy Fettke sits down with Rick Sharga, founder and CEO of CJ Patrick, to explore what’s behind the drop in the Investor Sentiment Index (ISI) and what it means for the real estate market in 2025. Discover insights on investor challenges like rising home prices, financing costs, and labor shortages, plus predictions on how the new administration could impact the housing market. Also, make sure to stick to the end. We ask Rick about his housing market predictions and best markets to invest in. Don’t miss this deep dive into real estate trends and forecasts!
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Investor Sentiment Report: https://rcncapital.com/blog/rcn-capital-investor-sentiment-index-winter-2024
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Jan 8, 2025 • 30min
Build $100K in Passive Income for Retirement with Real Estate with Karl Dumas
What if you could create a real estate portfolio that generates enough passive income for you to retire comfortably and enjoy thoughtful vacations with your spouse? On this episode of The Real Wealth Show, host Kathy Fettke is joined by inspiring guest Karl Dumas, a seasoned real estate investor with nearly five decades of experience.
Karl’s incredible journey began at just 19 years old when he boldly used a student loan to purchase his first property. Today, he shares the strategies that helped him scale his portfolio, his approach to calculated risks, and why he started out as a backyard "mom-and-pop landlord" and switched to out of state investing. Learn how Karl and his wife built a portfolio that funds vacations and financial freedom in retirement.
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Jan 2, 2025 • 23min
Kathy Fettke’s 2025 Housing Market Predictions
What’s ahead for the housing market in 2025? In this episode of The Real Wealth Show, Kathy Fettke shares her predictions on Fed rate cuts, inflation, mortgage rates, the best markets to invest in, and some wildcards that may impact the housing market next year. Learn how to build resilience and prepare for uncertainty in the year ahead!
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Dec 31, 2024 • 23min
How to Achieve your 2025 Real Estate Investing Goals through Mindset & Discipline with Rich Fettke
Start 2025 with clarity, focus, and a winning mindset! In this episode of The Real Wealth Show, Kathy Fettke and her husband, Rich Fettke, share how Stoicism and the investor mindset can help you overcome mental barriers, maintain emotional discipline, and stay committed to your financial goals—even during market volatility.
Discover strategies for balancing joy and discipline, actionable tips for staying motivated, and insights on building resilience for lasting success.
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Dec 26, 2024 • 30min
Real Estate Success, Mentorship, and Wealth Creation with Gary Massari
On this special re-run episode of The Real Wealth Show we highlight the inspiring story of how real estate professional Gary Massari became a pivotal mentor to the show’s host, Kathy Fettke. Gary, a renowned real estate investor, home builder, mortgage broker, and bestselling author, played a crucial role in launching a successful real estate career during a time of personal and financial challenges.
Listeners will hear how mentorship transformed lives, how challenges were turned into opportunities, and the lessons learned from years of collaboration. Whether you're new to real estate or a seasoned investor, this episode offers valuable insights and inspiration for building wealth and resilience.
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