The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

What separates elite leaders from those who never break through? It’s not motivation or even talent — it’s the discipline to stay focused, make decisions when it’s uncomfortable, and build habits that align with who you want to become. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill tackles questions from law firm owners about decision-making, long-term planning, and how to maintain consistent performance when things get chaotic. You’ll learn how to shift your mindset from reacting to leading, and how to engineer habits and environments that make success inevitable. Here’s what you’ll learn: What it takes to stay disciplined when motivation fails How elite leaders create leverage through “Future Time” Why identity — not willpower — is the key to lasting habits If you're ready to lead your firm at a higher level, this episode will show you how to build the internal foundation that drives consistent external results. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction: Gadgets, Cold Plunges & Energy Boosts 06:24 – Why This Podcast Has No Sponsors (and Why That Matters) 08:03 – Navigating Hard Decisions: Choose, Own, and Move Forward 13:49 – Future Time: The Most Important Meeting You’ll Ever Take 17:06 – Strategic Thinking: Identifying the One Problem That Unlocks Growth 18:40 – Habit Stacking for Busy Law Firm Owners 21:18 – Designing an Environment That Makes Good Habits Easy 24:16 – From Cold Plunges to Consistency: The Power of Identity 28:11 – Final Thoughts: Lead Like the CEO You Want to Become ---- Links & Resources: Streaks App  Atomic Habits by James Clear Savannah Bananas  Tony Robbins Tim Cook  Rory McIlroy ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: Episode 291 — Tim Grover — The Dark Side of Achievement Episode 229 — David Goggins — Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within Episode 258 — AMMA — The Power of No: Setting Boundaries for Focused Growth

Join industry titans Horst Schulze, Marcus Lemonis, Alex Hormozi, Joey Coleman, and Kara Goldin as they share powerful insights on achieving excellence in business. Schulze emphasizes employee empowerment as a cornerstone of loyalty. Lemonis discusses the importance of accountability and transparency. Hormozi reveals that pain often motivates true success, while Coleman focuses on crafting meaningful employee journeys. Goldin shares her journey of resilience and curiosity in brand building, proving that innovation thrives through adaptation and experimentation.

Josh Nelson, founder of Nelson Elder Care Law and 2024 SELECT Firm of the Year recipient, shares his journey of transforming a legal practice. He emphasizes the power of empowering team members over micromanaging, discussing the importance of evolving systems to sustain long-term growth. Josh reflects on his unconventional shift from finance to elder law, the challenges of hiring and cultivating a culture of accountability, and how personal passions can drive community impact. His insights offer a roadmap for leaders seeking to blend purpose with success.

Katy Milkman, a Wharton professor and behavioral scientist, shares how to overcome present bias to build lasting habits. Ayelet Fishbach discusses mastering self-control and optimizing environments for success. Adam Alter emphasizes reframing failure and embracing challenges for growth. Motivational speaker Eric Thomas reveals how effort surpasses talent in team dynamics. Finally, Steven Kotler explains how fear and flow states can drive peak performance, offering fresh perspectives on motivation and achievement.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill takes on some of the toughest challenges law firm owners face today — hiring with confidence, retaining great talent, and knowing when to invest in people versus when to walk away. From evaluating high-salary candidates to navigating internal disagreements over ambitious hires, this episode offers real-world guidance for leaders who want to build teams that last. Here’s what you’ll learn: How to evaluate whether you're paying for potential or proven performance Why a candidate asking about growth isn’t a red flag — it’s a sign of ambition How to create a culture of development that retains your best people If you’ve ever struggled with whether to bet on potential or proven experience — or feared the long-term cost of developing talent that might leave — this conversation is for you. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction: New Studio, New Format 01:23 – The 3 Types of Decision-Makers: Doubters, Delayers, and Deciders 06:27 – Hiring Dilemma: Pay for Potential or Proven Experience? 10:36 – Time vs. Money: The Real Cost of Training New Talent 11:05 – Navigating Offers: Is Asking About Growth a Red Flag? 13:13 – Choosing the Right Hire: Heart, Intent, and Fit 14:26 – Poaching Problems: When You’re the “Training Ground” Firm 16:06 – Why You Should Still Invest in People (Even if They Leave) 18:11 – Creating Career Paths That Inspire Long-Term Loyalty ---- Links & Resources: Patrick Mahomes Atlanta Falcons ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 278. Adam Alter — From Stuck to Unstoppable: Gaining and Keeping Momentum 245. Sheila Heen — How to Master Difficult Conversations 219. AMMA — A Deeper Look at Leadership

As we continue celebrating five years of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, this second installment in our special retrospective series highlights the marketing minds who have shaped industries, built iconic brands, and mastered the art of standing out. In this Marketing Masters edition, we spotlight leaders who have transformed the way we think about positioning, personal branding, relationship building, and sustainable growth. Their insights reveal that true marketing mastery isn’t about chasing trends — it's about clarity, connection, and a relentless focus on serving the right audience with excellence. This episode features: Seth Godin: On why marketing success starts with focusing up, choosing the smallest viable audience, and resisting the temptation to be average. Rory Vaden: On building a powerful personal brand rooted in trust, and why your reputation is the foundation of lasting opportunity. Pat Flynn: On creating superfans through quality, authenticity, and meaningful relationship-building. John Ruhlin: On leveraging thoughtful generosity to deepen client loyalty, drive referrals, and accelerate business growth. Conrad Saam and Gyi Tsakalakis: On why marketing without a strategy leads to wasted effort — and how consistent execution wins over time. Across every conversation, one theme is clear: the most successful marketers aren't the ones who follow the crowd. They're the ones who lead with purpose, serve with authenticity, and build brands that endure. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction: Lessons from Marketing Legends 03:11 – Seth Godin: Focus Up and Find Your Smallest Viable Audience 13:43 – Rory Vaden: Why Reputation Precedes Revenue 22:49 – Building a Personal Brand That Drives Business Growth 28:33 – Pat Flynn: Creating Superfans Through Quality and Connection 37:28 – Small Town Rules: Building Loyalty in a Digital World 44:36 – John Ruhlin: Strategic Gifting to Deepen Relationships 53:25 – Conrad Saam & Guy Sakalakis: Strategy vs. Tactics in Legal Marketing 01:07:15 – Final Takeaways: Building a Brand That Lasts ---- Links & Resources: Seth GodinRory VadenPat FlynnJohn RuhlinConrad Saam  Gyi Tsakalakis ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 356.  Warning: These Industry Titans’ Insights Might Change How You Run Your Firm 251. Alex Hormozi — The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success 279. AMMA — Building Trust Through Authentic Leadership

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill interviews Sofia K. Miguel, the 2024 ELITE Firm of the Year winner. Sofia shares her journey from the Army Reserve to leading a successful personal injury firm, offering practical insights into the challenges and successes of running a law practice.You will learn:  How to embrace marketing to enhance visibility and success in a competitive landscape How personal growth builds resilience, vital for leading a successful firm And how a high-performing team and top-tier client experience differentiate your firm Ready to transform your firm's future with proven growth and leadership strategies? Tune in to hear Sofia's impactful journey and discover how you can apply these lessons to your own practice.----Show Notes:00:00 – Introduction: From Army Reserve to Elite Firm of the Year03:24 – Why Sofia Chose Law: Autonomy, Self-Reliance, and Fulfillment09:19 – Building the Firm From Scratch: Early Challenges and Vision14:10 – Standing Out in a Competitive Market as a Woman-Owned Firm18:47 – From Solo to Team: The Shift to Scaling and Hiring Attorneys24:36 – Establishing Culture: High Standards and Collaborative Growth32:55 – Making Unpopular Decisions for Long-Term Success39:40 – Personal Growth, Professional Evolution, and Resilience48:18 – What Being a Game Changer Means to Sofia Miguel----Links & Resources:Sofia K. MiguelKolbe Index----Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel.----Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.----If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: Episode 346. James Amaro — Why Losing Everything Was the Best Thing That Happened  251. Alex Hormozi — The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success 279. AMMA — Building Trust Through Authentic Leadership

Welcome to a special edition of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, celebrating five years of game changing conversations, industry-shaping insights, and bold leadership in the legal world. To mark this milestone, we’re kicking off a retrospective series that dives into the minds of the most forward-thinking, trailblazing leaders we've featured over the years.In this episode, we’re taking a look back to highlight the strategies and decisions that helped our top guests carve their own paths to success. There’s no single way to build a thriving law firm — but the stories you’ll hear are proof that with the right mindset, consistent execution, and belief in your vision, success is within reach.You’ll hear from: Eric Chaffin: Co-founder of Chaffin Luhana, a nationally recognized law firm. Known for his work as a federal prosecutor and his dedication to using his experiences to motivate and help others through his legal practice. Rex Elliott: A prominent attorney at Cooper Elliott, a firm known for representing the underdog and making significant impacts in trial law. His journey is fueled by connecting his past experiences to achieve success and aid others. Randi McGinn: An accomplished trial lawyer, recognized for her approach to "transformative law," where the focus is on making impactful changes beyond just monetary settlements in cases. Laura Wasser: A top divorce attorney in the country, known for her discretion and ability to handle high-profile celebrity divorce cases with a focus on realistic expectations and professionalism. Ben Crump: A nationally renowned civil rights attorney, often involved in high-profile cases that address systemic injustices, inspired by Thurgood Marshall and motivated by advocating for equal opportunities and justice. Whether you're an attorney seasoned in the courtroom or a burgeoning leader in the industry, you'll find valuable perspectives and actionable insights to fuel your own success story. Join us as we uncover the diverse strategies and mindsets that propel legal visionaries to redefine what it means to lead, inspire, and succeed.----Show Notes:00:00 – Introduction: 5 Years of Legal Game Changers02:05 – Eric Chaffin: Overcoming Trauma and Building a Mission-Driven Firm10:44 – Doing Good by Doing Right: Building Chaffin Luhana on Values15:45 – Rex Elliott: From Construction Sites to Courtrooms21:42 – Fighting for Underdogs and Finding Purpose in Trial Work27:58 – Randi McGinn: Pioneering Transformative Law with Every Case35:36 – Laura Wasser: Navigating High-Profile Divorce with Discretion and Integrity43:59 – Balancing Emotional Support and Legal Strategy in Celebrity Cases50:27 – Ben Crump: Finding Hope and Justice Through Legacy and Law----Links & Resources:Randi McGinnRex ElliottEric ChaffinBen CrumpLaura Wasser----Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel.----Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.----If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 328. Sherry Stewart Deutschmann — Transform Your Business with Bold, People-First Leadership 251. Alex Hormozi — The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success 279. AMMA — Building Trust Through Authentic Leadership

What if launching your law firm amidst competition isn't about having it all figured out, but about taking the plunge with unwavering determination and adaptability?In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, host Michael Mogill sits down with Charles Buist and Nicholas Spetsas, the formidable duo behind a rapidly growing law firm in Orlando. Join us as we delve into their inspiring journey from shared dreams in a cramped one-bedroom apartment to the strategic decisions that helped them navigate the challenges of launching a firm from scratch.Here’s what you’ll learn: How taking strategic risks early in your career can pave the way for future success The critical role of a client-centric approach in differentiating a law firm, ensuring lasting relationships and trust by prioritizing client needs and maintaining excellent service The impact of leveraging advanced technology and personalized leadership strategies, like AI, Kolbe, and PRINT assessments, to foster team growth and enhance operational efficiency in a thriving law firm Tune in as they unpack their evolution from law school allies to entrepreneurial partners, revealing the bold bets, unrelenting commitment, and client-first mindset that drove their explosive growth from day one. With an emphasis on emotional connection, tech-forward operations, and agile leadership, Charles and Nick’s story is packed with battle-tested strategies and hard-earned insights for any law firm looking to stand out — and win — in today’s hyper-competitive market.----Show Notes:00:00 – Introduction03:11 – From Law School Roommates to Law Firm Founders06:19 – Building the Firm During Uncertainty and Sleepless Nights11:45 – The Turning Point: A Case That Changed Everything14:31 – Competing in One of the Nation’s Toughest Legal Markets18:34 – Team Composition, Growth Strategy, and Embracing AI23:37 – Leadership Lessons: Individual Focus and Effective Communication27:55 – Defining Firm Culture: Excellence, Empathy & Evolution42:08 – Personal Growth, Client Experience & What’s Next----Links & Resources:Charles BuistNicholas SpetsasMark CubanLior WeinsteinChris VossThe Bachelorette----Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel.----Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.----If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 323. James Lawrence — The Power of One More: A Journey of Grit and Determination 259. David Craig — How to Build a Law Firm That Stands the Test of Time 246. AMMA — From Burnout to Breakthrough: The Key Differences Between Winners and Losers

Are you questioning the traditional trajectory of the legal profession and craving a game plan to grow your firm and live a more fulfilling life?In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with powerhouse plaintiffs attorney Ben Glass — founder of Ben Glass Law, best-selling author, and the visionary behind Great Legal Marketing. You’ll hear how Ben redefined success on his own terms — from growing up as the oldest of seven to launching a movement that’s transforming how attorneys lead their firms and their lives.Here’s what you’ll learn: Discover how to align your law firm with your personal values to drive greater fulfillment, enhance team cohesion, and deliver a client experience that creates lasting loyalty Understand the critical mindset shifts that empower firm owners to break free from guilt, expand their capacity for growth, and actively seek ways to continue to learn  Implement bold, practical marketing strategies that cut through the noise while simultaneously cultivating a high-performing culture where your team is inspired, aligned, and driven to win Tune in as Ben shares the mindset shifts that shaped his path, the impact of athletics on building resilience, and why he's on a mission to help lawyers stop settling and start living. If you're ready to challenge the status quo and build a firm that reflects your purpose and potential, this episode delivers the clarity and strategy you’ve been looking for.----Show Notes:00:00 – Introduction03:15 – From Soccer Fields to Courtrooms: Ben’s Journey into Law08:42 – What Playing Left Fullback Taught Ben About Business11:52 – Living Life Big: Designing a Practice Around What Matters16:48 – Why Lawyer Wellness Starts with Choosing a Better Default20:16 – The Mindset Shifts That Unlock Entrepreneurial Freedom26:38 – Standing Out with Grassroots Marketing (and Answering the Phone)29:43 – Building a Team That Stays, Grows, and Recruits for You39:13 – The Secret Power of Podcasting and Repurposing Content----Links & Resources:BenGlassLawCrispThe Game Changing Attorney by Michael MogillTikTok----Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel.----Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.----If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 249. Codie Sanchez — Maximizing Income: Strategies for Achieving Financial Freedom 287. Dan Martell — Buy Back Your Time: Mastering the Art of Delegation 210. AMMA — Failure Isn’t Final: Lessons Learned From Setbacks and Struggles