The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill 370. Why Playing It Safe Is Killing Your Growth with Verne Harnish
What if the real risk isn't taking bold action — but staying exactly where you are?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, author, founder of Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO), and Founder & CEO of Scaling Up, Verne Harnish shares timeless insights on scaling a business, developing high-performing teams, and why most leaders fall short when they lose their edge. From navigating uncertainty to rediscovering founder-mode, Verne challenges the safe, conventional wisdom that holds organizations back — and offers a blueprint for playing bigger, leading smarter, and building companies that endure.
Here's what you'll learn:
- Why aggressive goals create more energy — and why incrementalism kills momentum
- What it means to rediscover your company's "soul" — and how to lead from founder-mode
- How to replace weak managers with true team captains who drive performance
If you're playing not to lose, you're already falling behind — this episode is your call to play to win.
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Show Notes:
00:00 - Introduction
06:00 - Betting on Yourself: The Sacrifices and Mindset of Entrepreneurs
09:19 - Thriving in Chaos: Why Optimism and Timing Matter
14:00 - The Power of Big, Audacious Goals (and Why Small Thinking Fails)
16:42 - Why Most Companies Plateau: The Mindset and Market Gap
20:41 - Rediscovering Founder Mode and the Soul of Your Business
26:46 - Building Teams That Don't Need Managers
31:15 - How AI Will Redefine Growth, Strategy, and Hiring
36:40 - Redefining Success: The Five F's That Really Matter
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Links & Resources:
Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO)
Mastering the Rockefeller Habits by Verne Harnish
The Captain Class by Sam Walker
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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.
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