The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Leadership often demands unpopular decisions that others can’t fully understand. Great leaders face criticism for choices that push boundaries while navigating the emotional toll of high standards. Emphasizing growth, the importance of delivering tough feedback with integrity is highlighted, as is the need to sidestep complacent influences. Human biology favors comfort, but embracing discomfort fosters true progress. Authentic leadership aligns with personal values and often means taking on added responsibility after success.

Dominique Dawes, a three-time Olympic gymnast and founder of gymnastics academies, shares her journey from the elite sport to entrepreneurship. She discusses the immense sacrifices young gymnasts make and why, despite Olympic medals, family and personal values truly define success. Dominique emphasizes the need for a healthier, supportive culture in sports, shaped by her experiences with mental health issues in athletes. She also reflects on the challenges of launching her business during the pandemic and her mission to cultivate joy and purpose in gymnastics.

Steve Carse, founder of King of Pops and author of 'Work Is Fun,' shares his journey from a single cart to a beloved brand. He emphasizes that true differentiation stems from curiosity and community connection. Steve reflects on overcoming early doubts, transforming challenges during COVID into new opportunities, and the importance of a strong culture in scaling. He also highlights the unique aspects of hiring enthusiastic team members and creating shared experiences to foster engagement. Plus, parenting reshaped his leadership approach and connection with customers.

Feel like you’re drifting through life on autopilot? This episode will snap you awake. In this AMMA edition of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three deeply personal questions around identity, distraction, purpose, and reinvention. From the erosion of our collective attention span to the fear of starting over in your 40s, 50s, or 60s, this episode explores why so many high achievers reach a point where they look around and wonder how much of their life reflects their choices versus someone else’s expectations. With candid stories, tough-love truths, and practical reframes, Michael and Jessica break down how to reclaim your time, rediscover who you are, and redefine what comes next. Here’s what you’ll learn: How constant distraction is destroying presence, relationships, and creative thinking, and what it takes to rebuild your attention Why it is never too late to pivot, rediscover your identity, or pursue something that truly lights you up What successful attorneys actually do in retirement and why some people struggle to walk away from the work that defines them If you have ever questioned who you are, where you are going, or what you truly want, this episode will remind you that it is never too late to rewrite your story. ---- 02:34 — Michael describes the collapse of human attention and why people are no longer present in their own lives 03:04 — How constant phone use destroys meaningful connection, even during everyday moments like dinner 05:39 — The moment Michael realized technology was reshaping his kids’ habits and what happened when he took the iPad away 06:49 — A challenge for listeners: try an entirely phone-free Thanksgiving and notice how differently you feel 09:58 — Why people wake up realizing they’ve built a life based on expectations instead of their own desires 12:14 — You are not starting over. You are pivoting with decades of experience and wisdom 16:23 — The danger of retiring without purpose and why people fall apart when they have nothing meaningful to do 17:31 — What Michael would do if he could “burn it all down” and start something completely new, and why he chooses not to ---- Links & Resources: Die With Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life by Bill Perkins Jensen Huang ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 384. Break the Mold: The Blueprint for Radical Reinvention with Todd Herman 331. AMMA — Failure to Reflect is Failure to Grow: The Brutal Truth About Staying Stuck 237. AMMA — Breaking Out of Complacency: Transformation Through Innovation

What would your life look like if you stopped seeing limitations as roadblocks and started seeing them as opportunities? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kyle Maynard, world record-holding athlete, entrepreneur, speaker, best-selling author, and featured speaker at the 2025 Game Changers Summit, who was born without arms or legs yet has achieved what most would consider impossible. From climbing Mount Kilimanjaro to becoming a champion wrestler and mixed martial artist, Kyle shares the mindset that has allowed him to turn obstacles into fuel. This conversation is a masterclass in perseverance, perspective, and possibility. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why your limitations don’t define you, your mindset does How to build resilience through struggle and discipline What it takes to face fear, failure, and discomfort head-on If you have ever doubted your potential, this episode will remind you that your only real limitation is belief. ---- Show Notes: 03:22 — Kyle shares how his parents’ mindset shaped his view on adversity 04:10 — The story of how learning to eat independently changed his life 07:07 — Early lessons from football and why losing 35 matches taught him more than winning ever could 09:42 — What finally led to his first wrestling victory, and how it changed his confidence 10:58 — The long road from failure to becoming a nationally ranked wrestler 12:05 — Lessons from sports that shaped his business and leadership philosophy 12:32 — How training with UFC champion Forrest Griffin pushed him to new limits 17:13 — The climb up Mount Kilimanjaro and what it taught him about purpose and possibility ---- Links & Resources: Kyle Maynard No Excuses: The True Story of a Congenital Amputee Who Became a Champion in Wrestling and in Life by Kyle Maynard A Fighting Chance (2009) ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 353. How He Trained His Mind to Never Quit — Using Something You’d Never Guess with James Lawrence  314. AMMA — Turning Trials into Triumphs: The Art of Resilient Leadership 210. AMMA — Failure Isn’t Final: Lessons Learned From Setbacks and Struggles

Jessica Mogill, Head of Coaching Strategy at CRISP, dives into the hidden costs of poor leadership in law firms. She emphasizes that top performers often struggle as leaders without the right mindset. Jessica exposes how fear-based management can devastate workplace culture and reveals the three harmful leadership archetypes: status seekers, peacekeeping enablers, and veteran preservers. Through compelling stories, she illustrates how small leadership cracks can lead to significant organizational upheaval, urging leaders to foster alignment and trust for sustainable success.

What do you do when there’s no one to turn to and every decision rests on you? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer raw, real questions from law firm owners navigating isolation, leadership doubts, and the pressure to stay strong when everything feels uncertain. From managing tough team decisions to questioning your purpose as a business owner, Michael shares why staying in the arena, even when you’re tired, scared, or second-guessing yourself, is the mark of true leadership. Here’s what you’ll learn: How to make hard calls when you have no one to confide in Why every leader questions their purpose and how to push through the low points What it takes to build a trusted community that keeps you grounded and growing When the weight of leadership feels heaviest, that’s when you prove you’re built for it. ---- 06:28 – Jessica reads a listener question about making hard decisions without anyone to confide in. 06:57 – Michael discusses isolation in leadership and why the Crisp Community exists to combat it. 10:12 – Michael uses a Reddit story and triathlon training as a metaphor for consistency and identity in leadership. 10:54 – Michael describes the moments every entrepreneur questions whether they’re cut out for this. 14:13 – Michael breaks down why knowledge only becomes power when paired with behavioral change. 15:19 – Michael explains why struggle is part of the journey and how adversity builds the next level of leadership. 16:44 – Michael opens up about decision fatigue and the importance of trusting your team. ---- Links & Resources: The Game Changers Summit Steve Jobs Tim Cook ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 387. AMMA — Stop Cleaning Up Their Mess: The Secret to a Self-Sufficient Team 363. AMMA — How to Master Decision-Making Like a Pro 331. AMMA — Failure to Reflect is Failure to Grow: The Brutal Truth About Staying Stuck

Joe De Sena, founder and CEO of Spartan Race, shares his journey from cleaning pools in Queens to building a global empire. He emphasizes that embracing discomfort is essential for developing resilience and grit. Joe reveals the importance of finding your 'why' and committing fully to your goals, likening it to the dedication of marathon monks. He argues that daily challenges, like cold showers, prepare us for life’s tougher moments. Ultimately, he believes persistence is key to achieving unshakable success and building lasting relationships.

Building trust is essential in business and life. Learn how to effectively hire an executive assistant who can manage your time wisely. Discover why success can complicate relationships and how to maintain authenticity. Explore practical ways to prevent entitlement in children by teaching them the value of hard work. With strategies on prioritizing personal connections and using real-life lessons, this discussion offers valuable insights for thriving at work and home.

What happens when the nation’s most successful law firm owners debate where the legal industry is headed next? As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12–13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we revisit the Law Firm of the Future panel live from the 2022 Game Changers Summit, where Michael Mogill sits down with Alexander Shunnarah, Anthony Johnson, Bob Tharp, and Eric Chaffin for an unfiltered conversation about the forces reshaping the legal industry and what it takes to lead in the next era. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why Wall Street’s arrival in legal services could transform how firms grow and compete How to use data, KPIs, and culture to strengthen your firm’s foundation before outside investors do What it takes to future-proof your business in an era of automation, consolidation, and client-driven expectations The future of law isn’t waiting — it’s already here. Are you ready to lead it? ---- Show Notes: 03:04 – Anthony Johnson explains why the legal industry’s lag in adopting technology will soon give way to rapid automation and smarter processes. 04:44 – Alexander Shunnarah shares how private equity and ABS investment are already reshaping the legal marketplace. 05:35 – Bob Tharp urges firm owners to overcome their fear of KPIs and treat data as the foundation of every decision. 06:32 – Eric Chaffin reveals how “doing good by doing right” became his firm’s rallying call and culture cornerstone. 08:19 – Anthony Johnson breaks down why data has surpassed oil in value and how information drives better firm strategy. 10:22 – Bob Tharp predicts the end of the billable hour and explains why clients will demand flat-rate pricing and cost transparency. 17:18 – Alexander Shunnarah discusses his firm’s evolution from pre-litigation to a full trial practice — and why brand integrity matters. 19:58 – Eric Chaffin shares a deeply personal story of overcoming adversity, proving that humility and vulnerability are essential to leadership. ---- Links & Resources: Alexander Shunnarah Trial Attorneys Anthony Johnson Bob Tharp Eric Chaffin Rocket Lawyer ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 372. The Surprising ROI of Doing the Right Thing with Chaffin Luhana 204. Alexander Shunnarah — The Thin Line Between Success and Failure 57. Bob Tharp — 1% Better Every Day