The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

What if your biggest leadership challenge isn’t deciding what to do, but when to do it? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill shares personal stories and answers listener questions about tough decisions, team feedback, and betting big on your vision. From a solo weekend with his kids to making high-stakes calls at work, Michael pulls back the curtain on how he thinks through pressure, risk, and long-term impact. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why speed and decisiveness are only advantages when paired with execution How to weigh input from others — and still make the final call yourself What it takes to scale sustainably without losing your mind You make the decision. Don’t let someone else make it for you. ---- Show Notes: 01:58 – Michael’s Core Memory Weekend with the Kids 06:24 – The CEO’s Dilemma: No Clear Right Answers 06:55 – Why Focus Beats Multiple Revenue Streams 10:53 – The Risk of Moving Too Fast — and Too Big 13:04 – Behind the Scenes of Crisp’s Busiest Year 14:18 – Why Execution Matters More Than Ideas 17:16 – Acquisition Anxiety: Growth vs. Culture Clash 21:03 – You Make the Decision — Not Your Team ---- Links & Resources: Die With Zero by Bill Perkins ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 349. AMMA. The Leadership Shift: Building a Firm That Doesn’t Depend on You 339. AMMA — The Growth Blueprint: What It Takes to Build a 7, 8, and 9-Figure Law Firm 258. AMMA — The Power of No: Setting Boundaries for Focused Growth

Building a values-driven law firm isn’t just the right thing to do — it’s also a winning strategy. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, host Michael Mogill sits down with Eric Chaffin and Roopal Luhana of Chaffin Luhana to explore how they built one of the most respected firms in the country by leading with integrity, empathy, and purpose. Guided by the principle of “doing good by doing right,” they share how a deep commitment to clients and core values has fueled meaningful growth, sparked innovation, and shaped a standout culture in the legal industry. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why doing the right thing, even when it’s hard, delivers the greatest long-term ROI How to build a values-driven culture that attracts the right people and clients What it takes to stay resilient when the stakes are high and the outcomes are uncertain Don’t miss this conversation if you want to build a firm that wins with purpose, scales with heart, and never loses sight of what matters most. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction: How Eric and Roopal built Chaffin Luhana 01:40 – Defining “doing good by doing right” and what it looks like in action 05:00 – Why authenticity is rare — and essential — in legal marketing 06:15 – The most important KPI: Client gratitude 08:15 – How values shape hiring, culture, and internal growth 12:15 – Implementing structure: Traction, processes, and leadership clarity 15:00 – Lessons from loss: Staying true to your principles when it’s hard 18:20 – Navigating emotional investment and long litigation cycles 21:30 – Driving systemic change through impact litigation 25:45 – Final thoughts: Being a game changer through innovation and heart ---- Links & Resources: Chaffin Luhana LLP Six Sigma Incorporating Traction  ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 355. How Two Lawyers Took on Legal Giants and Won with Spetsas Buist 361. The Hidden Blueprint for Creating a Thriving Work Culture with Josh Nelson 357. The Strategy That Skyrocketed Her Law Firm's Growth with Sofia K. Miguel

What if the best way to build a high-performing team wasn’t through perks or policies, but by telling people the truth? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, HR consultant, speaker, author, and former Netflix Chief Talent Officer Patty McCord joins Michael Mogill to challenge conventional HR thinking and offer a candid take on what truly drives culture, leadership, and high performance. With decades of experience shaping iconic teams in Silicon Valley, Patty unpacks how honesty, accountability, and experimentation can redefine what it means to build a workplace people are proud to be from, not just at. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why retention is the wrong metric for building great teams — and what matters instead How “telling the truth up front” can eliminate legal issues, improve culture, and drive results What it takes to create a company where high performers thrive and mediocrity doesn’t survive If you’re ready to ditch outdated practices, build a team of adults who own their impact, and lead with context instead of control, this episode is your blueprint. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction: Patty’s Unconventional Path into HR 05:06 – The Call That Changed Everything: Joining Netflix at 2 AM 06:40 – Reinventing Work: Cutting What Doesn’t Matter 08:06 – Creating a Great Place to Be From 12:00 – Building High-Performance Teams with Radical Clarity 17:18 – Problem Solvers vs. Problem Finders 20:14 – Giving Feedback That Drives Growth 27:11 – Metrics That Matter: P&L Over Perks 34:12 – Preparing for the Future: Do You Have the Right Team? 37:04 – Stop Empowering: Teach How the Business Works 38:29 – The Future of Work Is Now 40:15 – Redefining Leadership Through Context 41:22 – Final Thoughts: Stop Doing Stupid Stuff ---- Links & Resources: Powerful: Building a Culture of Freedom and Responsibility by Patty McCord How Netflix Reinvented HR, HBR Article by Patty McCord Netflix Culture Deck “Google Ideological Echo Chamber” memo by James Damore ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 352 — Susan Fowler — Why Everything You Know About Motivating Your Team Might Be Completely Wrong 328 — Sherry Stewart Deutschmann — Transform Your Business with Bold, People-First Leadership

What if the real risk isn't taking bold action — but staying exactly where you are? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, author, founder of Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO), and Founder & CEO of Scaling Up, Verne Harnish shares timeless insights on scaling a business, developing high-performing teams, and why most leaders fall short when they lose their edge. From navigating uncertainty to rediscovering founder-mode, Verne challenges the safe, conventional wisdom that holds organizations back — and offers a blueprint for playing bigger, leading smarter, and building companies that endure. Here's what you'll learn: Why aggressive goals create more energy — and why incrementalism kills momentum What it means to rediscover your company's "soul" — and how to lead from founder-mode How to replace weak managers with true team captains who drive performance If you're playing not to lose, you're already falling behind — this episode is your call to play to win. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 - Introduction 06:00 - Betting on Yourself: The Sacrifices and Mindset of Entrepreneurs 09:19 - Thriving in Chaos: Why Optimism and Timing Matter 14:00 - The Power of Big, Audacious Goals (and Why Small Thinking Fails) 16:42 - Why Most Companies Plateau: The Mindset and Market Gap 20:41 - Rediscovering Founder Mode and the Soul of Your Business 26:46 - Building Teams That Don't Need Managers 31:15 - How AI Will Redefine Growth, Strategy, and Hiring 36:40 - Redefining Success: The Five F's That Really Matter ---- Links & Resources: Scaling Up by Verne Harnish Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO) Mastering the Rockefeller Habits by Verne Harnish Founder Mode by Paul Graham The Captain Class by Sam Walker ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 243. AMMA — Success Without Safety Nets: The Entrepreneurial Journey 338. Will Ahmed — From Stress to Success: Optimizing the Entrepreneurial Journey 196. AMMA — The 9 Sources of Entrepreneurial Advantage

Cy Wakeman, a workplace drama expert and best-selling author, shares her insights on how ego-driven narratives create self-imposed suffering. She emphasizes the power of gratitude and the importance of self-reflection for true leadership. Alongside Jessica Mogill, Cy introduces three transformative questions to break free from stress and discusses the difference between self-care and self-soothing. Listeners are encouraged to embrace curiosity and set boundaries to foster personal growth and well-being, ultimately leading to a more fulfilling life.

Chris Dreyer, Founder of Rankings.io and author, dives into the pitfalls law firms face with SEO and marketing strategies. He emphasizes that true success comes from commitment to SEO and building real-world relationships to earn Google’s trust. The conversation also touches on how AI is reshaping search relevance and the need for consistent effort in a competitive landscape. Dreyer urges firms to never settle for mediocrity and to leverage community engagement and innovative marketing to gain an edge over competitors.

What if trying to help everyone is the very thing keeping your law firm from growing? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill challenge the myth that more is better — more practice areas, more clients, more complexity. Instead, they reveal why clarity, consistency, and restraint are the real drivers of sustainable growth. From the $10M rule to the art of saying “no,” this episode is a practical blueprint for law firm owners ready to scale without spreading themselves — or their teams — too thin. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why the best cases go to the best marketers What the $10M rule means for your expansion plans Why generalists struggle to grow — and how specialists win The real impact of saying “no” to misaligned clients How focus helps you build authority and trust If you’re ready to scale your firm without losing focus, this episode will challenge you to lead with clarity, say no with confidence, and grow where it matters most. ---- Show Notes: 00:01 – Introduction 03:28 – Should I Niche Down to Compete With a Younger Attorney? 07:23 – Should I Expand Into New Practice Areas to Grow? 12:00 – How Do I Say No to Longtime Clients? 14:09 – The Power of Saying No to Stay Focused 15:30 – Why Boundaries Are a Sign of Growth 16:10 – Saying Yes Means Saying No to Something Else 16:14 – Final Thoughts: You Have the Power to Choose ---- Links & Resources: Turf Grass Phone Case  ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 199. Jesse Cole — Change the Game, Break the Rules, and Create an Unforgettable Experience 258. AMMA — The Power of No: Setting Boundaries for Focused Growth 333. AMMA — Win More High-Value Cases: How to Build a Brand Clients Trust

What if your greatest leadership challenge isn’t your team — it’s you? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, decorated U.S. Army veteran and CEO of Berry Law, John Berry returns to share the tough lessons, tactical systems, and mindset shifts that have shaped his evolution as a leader. From military missions to managing a fast-growing law firm, John opens up about what it really takes to earn trust, retain A-players, and lead with conviction — even when the pressure is on. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why discipline, restraint, and reflection are essential to long-term leadership How to recruit and retain top talent by scaling culture from the inside out What it takes to become the kind of leader people choose to follow If you’re ready to look in the mirror and lead at a higher level, this episode will show you how real change starts from within. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction: From Combat to Courtroom 02:18 – Why Most Leaders Get Leadership Wrong 05:42 – The Hard Lessons of Hiring and Building the Right Culture 10:04 – Leadership Under Pressure: Lessons from the Battlefield 17:09 – The Cost of Conflict Avoidance and the Power of Feedback 26:43 – Operation Spear Tip: Scalable Hiring Through Referrals 33:06 – When to Coach, Confront, or Cut Loose 42:18 – Simplifying Practice Areas to Scale with Focus 56:03 – Final Thoughts: Change Yourself to Change the Game ---- Links & Resources: Berry Law  Veteran Led by John Berry  Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink & Leif Babin  The Dichotomy of Leadership by Jocko Willink & Leif Babin  ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 255. Joe De Sena — The Spartan Mindset: Embracing Discomfort and Unleashing Mental Toughness 303. Eric Thomas — Turning Struggles into Strength: A Blueprint for Resilience 331. AMMA — Failure to Reflect is Failure to Grow: The Brutal Truth About Staying Stuck

What if the reason your clients, team, or peers don’t recognize your value… is because you never showed them? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill breaks down the unseen habits, small slips, and silent wins that separate those who sustain excellence from those who quietly fall behind. From holding the line on standards to making your effort visible, this episode is a tactical reminder that the little things are never little — and that complacency has a price. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why discipline erodes in the details — and how to hold the line How to make your unseen efforts visible to your team and clients What it really takes to prevent success from turning into stagnation Want to stay at the top? This episode is your reminder to act like it — every single day. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction 03:48 – Teaching Entrepreneurial Lessons to the Next Generation 08:07 – The Bracelet Business: Fulfillment, Hustle, and Gratitude 09:38 – Combating Entitlement by Sharing the Real Journey 13:16 – Why Gratitude, Not Resentment, Builds a Great Culture 15:00 – Are You Paranoid or Just Paying Attention? 17:05 – The Slippery Slope of Letting Standards Slip 18:10 – Making the Invisible Visible: How to Show Your Work 22:36 – Final Thoughts and Takeaways ---- Links & Resources: Atomic Habits by James Clear  David Goggins  Can’t Hurt Me by David Goggins  Cameron Hanes  The Score Takes Care of Itself by Bill Walsh  ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 320.  John Morgan — Dream Big, Act Bold: Turning Visions into Reality 278. Adam Alter — From Stuck to Unstoppable: Gaining and Maintaining Momentum 217.  AMMA — The Key to Clarity in Business

As we conclude celebrating five years of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, this Elite Athletes edition showcases the world-class performers who have redefined limits — mentally, physically, and professionally. These are the voices of champions who’ve trained in darkness, fought through failure, and built the mindset required to dominate on the world stage. In this episode, we go beyond trophies and titles to uncover the discipline, resilience, and psychological mastery that separates the best from everyone else. Whether it’s breaking world records, surviving in isolation, or pushing through unimaginable pain, these athletes offer a window into what’s possible when greatness becomes non-negotiable. This episode features: Mark Beaumont: On why risk, adventure, and clarity of purpose matter more than comfort or certainty. Colin O’Brady: On challenging the impossible — and growing through adversity, whether or not you succeed. David Goggins: On building belief by choosing suffering, and how pain can become your greatest teacher. Mat Fraser: On the compounding power of consistent habits — and how world champions optimize everything. Tim Grover: On letting go of civility, mastering your dark side, and doing what winning demands. If you want to understand what true grit, mental toughness, and elite-level focus really look like, this episode is your blueprint. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction: Unlocking Peak Performance with Elite Athletes 02:05 – Mark Beaumont: Around the World in 194 Days 07:14 – The Power of Planning, Pain, and Perspective 11:21 – Colin O’Brady: Why “The Impossible First” Mattered 17:24 – From Burn Victim to Triathlon Champion 26:05 – Crossing Antarctica Alone: Breaking Mental and Physical Limits 29:06 – David Goggins: Creating an Alter Ego to Withstand the Unthinkable 41:46 – Mat Fraser: Building 1% Gains into Unstoppable Momentum 54:10 – Tim Grover: Winning Is Uncivilized — And That’s the Point ---- Links & Resources: Mark Beaumont Colin O’Brady David Goggins Mat Fraser Tim Grover The Impossible First by Colin O’Brady Can’t Hurt Me by David Goggins Never Finished by David Goggins Relentless by Tim Grover Winning by Tim Grover  ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 358. Your Competitors Don’t Want You to Know These Game Changing Marketing Strategies 356. Warning: These Industry Titans’ Insights Might Change How You Run Your Firm 360.  The Hidden Formula for Unstoppable Motivation and Achievement