Be There in Five

This week, Kate is joined by licensed therapist Amanda White (@therapyforwomen) to discuss the proliferation of mental health content (and digital diagnoses) on Tiktok and Instagram. In the past year or so, there's been an uptick of quippy, short-form videos that deliver information about serious mental health topics (that would require a lot of individualized therapy to formally diagnose) and they are often oversimplified in a clickbait format on social media, creating a spectrum of helpful to harmful. They talk about how sharing this information can be incredible in its ability to spark a conversation, encourage people to pursue mental healthcare, and help people feel less alone by finding community in a diagnosis. On the flip side, this content can needlessly label common behaviors as being a problem and over-attribute them to broader issues that need fixing or can leave people with an oversimplified diagnosis without any resolve or ongoing treatment. Beyond that, these videos often undermine the great deal of education/training needed to adequately diagnose conditions in a highly subjective field. This isn't about hot takes; this is a conversation about exploring nuance within a complicated topic, and Amanda helps Kate identify what is helpful vs. harmful (and when it depends!) to better navigate her own headspace as she scrolls in the deep. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS This Holiday, ButcherBox is giving new members one pack of bacon for FREE in EVERY box, plus $20 off each box for the first five months of your membership. That's free bacon for life and up to $100 off! Sign up at butcherbox.com/BETHEREINFIVE Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattresses mattress orders as well and two free pillows for our listeners at HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive Head to bookofthemonth.com and use CODE BETHEREINFIVE to get your first book for $9.99 Right now Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE and turn healthy habits into a Ritual Get 20% off your first mani system when you use promo code BETHEREINFIVE at oliveandjune.com/BETHEREINFIVE

Part 2 of Kate's Red (Taylor's Version) Review, covering mostly All Too Well (10 minute version) and the related short film. Also snorkels Nothing New and shares overarching thoughts about the new lyrics, the Jake G of it all, the scarf as a metaphor, and more! Support our Sponsors Go to Framebridge.com and use promo code BTIF to save an additional 15% off your first order Support our show by going to Nutrafol.com and entering the promo code BETHEREINFIVE to save FIFTEEN DOLLARS OFF your first month's subscription Use code BETHEREINFIVE for $5 your first order at broadwayroulette.com To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/bethereinfive.

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In anticipation of Red (TV), Kate reminisces briefly through the Red album and provides her (accidentally 40 minute) All Too Well dissertation (in a pre-Red TV world), reminiscing on what the song meant to her then and now. Then, Kate airs an episode she recorded with Kelly (her sister) in San Diego amidst a coyote scare. They discuss 90s TV like TGIF, SNICK, Hey Dude, Are You Afraid of the Dark, etc., then venture into casual questions like "how to avoid existential dread?" Then Kelly gives a life update in San Diego and shares her version of a once-in-a-lifetime Taylor Swift event (going to a Braves World Series game). They discuss the joy of doing things alone, the transplant dilemma of feeling out of sorts in a new place, the issue of never being satisfied in life or career, do you say "active" or "sometimes" about the gym on dating profiles, they trade for you pages, talk about van life, do a brief rif off, the list goes on. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Allform is offering 20% off all orders for our listeners at Allform.com/bethereinfive Get 25% off when you go to LIQUIDIV.COM and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Head to bookofthemonth.com and use CODE BETHEREINFIVE to get your first book for $9.99 For a limited time, get 15% off your pair of Ultimate Ears FITS True Wireless Earbuds at ue.com/fits. Just use promo code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout

The "Beth: A Week in the Life" series is a format where Kate records for 15-20 mins per day in a given week to discuss what she cares about in that moment, attempting to capture small pockets of her interests that get lost in the fast news cycle. This episode covers a variety of topics, such as: -Irrational childhood fears as developed by The Face on The Milk Carton -Another unforeseen snorkel into the Cosmos, astrology, the book of Genesis, and the origin of time, feat. the ancient world's hottest literary device: antimetaboles! -Early observations about Utah while Kate was on the road for Track 5 -A Halloween rant, KJP's autumn, introvert vs. extrovert holidays -Kate's annoyance with religious people using the "start a riot" sound on Tiktok trend -The Christian persecution complex Kate learned about via DC Talk's bible study about martyrdom -A "Sharenting" snorkel about Mormon family bloggers exploiting their kids' embarrassing moments in puberty for clicks -A brief chat about Fundie vloggers -Some closing thoughts about conversations Kate had in Utah about faith journeys SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS For 15% off and free shipping on your first pair of Marc Fisher LTD shoes, head to marcfisherfootwear.com and enter code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout This holiday, ButcherBox is proud to give new members a free turkey. Just go to ButcherBox.com/BETHEREINFIVE Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners at HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive Right now Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE Get 20% off your first mani system when you use promo code BETHEREINFIVE at oliveandjune.com/BETHEREINFIVE WORKS CITED https://www.newsweek.com/youtube-lets-lawless-lucrative-sharenting-industry-put-kids-mercy-internet-1635112 https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/instagram-facebook-and-the-perils-of-sharenting

Part 2 of the American Girl Deep Dive. Kate reads submitted stories and anecdotes that are hilarious and heartbreaking and everything in between about BTI5 listener's experiences with this iconic American brand and its subsidiary ventures like "The Care and Keeping of You." Following a brief snorkel about LL Bean catalogs, she can't help herself. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Use code BETHEREINFIVE for $5 your first order at broadwayroulette.com Go to Framebridge.com and use promo code BTIF to save an additional 15% off your first order You can grow thicker, healthier hair AND support our show by going to Nutrafol.com and entering the promo code BETHEREINFIVE to save FIFTEEN DOLLARS OFF your first month's subscription. To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/bethereinfive. Don't miss out on this limited time offer! Uncommon Goods. We're all out of the ordinary Use code BETHEREINFIVE for $5 your first order at broadwayroulette.com As a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting BetterHelp.com/bethereinfive

An American Girl deep dive: Part 1. Allow Kate to provide you some pleasant company while she discusses the iconic and historical dolls she grew up worshipping from the Pleasant Company. From catalog culture to Kirsten's actual log culture, Kate discusses her magical experience as a child, her criticisms as an adult, the brand's history, gives her shallow hot takes on the dolls' sartorial and interior choices, and then reads from listener-submitted stories about their memories involving American Girl dolls. WORKS CITED: https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1997-03-18-1997077037-story.html https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/g2708/facts-about-american-girl-dolls/ https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/05/28/addy-walker-american-girl/ https://hellogiggles.com/lifestyle/nostalgia/complicated-love-addy-walker-black-american-girl-doll/ SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: For 15% off and free shipping on your first pair of Marc Fisher LTD shoes, head to marcfisherfootwear.com and enter code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout Helix is offering up to $200 off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive Get better hydration today & 25% off using promo code BETHEREINFIVE at LIQUIDIV.COM Get 10% off your first order with promo code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAmalibu.com Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/BETHEREINFIVE

This week, Kate is answering listener voicemails spanning a variety of topics, including (but not limited to): decoding John Mulaney's relationship timeline via Anna Marie Tendler's art history-forward Instagram, more 'one-hit mumbler' tunes, what if Taylor Swift started an MLM, Kate answering if she's a doomsday prepper, a guide for how to main character, a gripe about bloggers' white towels, a personal update from Kate post-miscarriage, a brief snorkel into Paul Revere's ride, Kate's 'serial killer tendencies,' among other things. Enjoy! To be on the next Katelilah, call 312-379-9676 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Allform is offering 20% off all orders for our listeners at Allform.com/bethereinfive For 20% off your first Aurate purchase, go to AurateNewYork.com/bethereinfive and use promo code bethereinfive. That's 20% off with no minimum spend I want you to start living a happier life today. As a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting BetterHelp.com/bethereinfive Go to Zocdoc.com/BETHEREINFIVE and download the Zocdoc app to sign-up for FREE and book a top-rated doctor. Many are available as soon as today.

A deep DIYve. In this episode, Kate explores DIY blogging through the lens of LDS influencers that promote power tools as a tool for women's empowerment. Kate meanders through her history with home decor shows, discusses how she came to find this renovated girl boss messaging, then walks through the who/what/when/why of how some members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints got heavily involved with blogging, and more specifically (per listener emails from church members) how DIY blogging is a clear extension of LDS members' religious-cultural values. Then, Kate discusses how there are distinctions in monetization methods that DIY bloggers often pursue. Some can be harmless/helpful, some often subtly promote a pyramid scheme, and some could be potentially dangerous in the pursuit of profit for their 'non-expert' construction tutorials that often circumvent input from professionals. Enjoy! BE THERE IN FIVE LIVE TICKETS! bethereinfive.com/live-shows Bonus episodes, e.g. Twilight as a Mormon allegory: patreon.com/bethereinfive WORKS CITED https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/30/6-facts-about-u-s-mormons/ https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/the-latter-day-saint-woman-basic-manual-for-women-part-a/women-in-the-church/lesson-13-women-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/22/mormons-more-likely-to-marry-have-more-children-than-other-u-s-religious-groups/ https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2008/07/sharing-the-gospel-using-the-internet?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/2010/12/news-of-the-church/church-members-share-the-gospel-online?lang=eng SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Helix is offering up to $200 off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE and turn healthy habits into a Ritual With Boll & Branch, listeners get an exclusive 15% off your first set of sheets with promo code BETHEREINFIVE at bollandbranch.com ButcherBox™ is giving new. members free ground beef FOR LIFE! Sign up at ButcherBox.com/BETHEREINFIVE and get 2 pounds of ground beef free in every order for the life of your membership

This week, Kate sits down and chats with Amanda Montell, author of Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism to discuss the LuLaRoe documentary from a culty and linguistic angle. They discuss a variety of topics surrounding the language and communication styles of Mark & DeAnn and how they were effective in coercing thousands of women to join their self-serving organization that had all the trappings of cult. They talk through some of Kate's cult-related questions, e.g. how did Mark & DeAnn have so much power over people? What distinguishes something well-meaning from something manipulative? What is the fine line between groups with shared interests and groups that become exclusive, coercive and restrictive? How can we be more discerning so we don't fall down a buttery slope? All that and more on part 2 of the LuLaRich deep dive! Enjoy! Be There in Five Live Tickets: bethereinfive.com/live-shows Washington, DC: October 16 Salt Lake City: October 28 San Diego: November 7 Boston: SOLD OUT Atlanta: SOLD OUT Seattle: SOLD OUT Bonus episodes: patreon.com/bethereinfive SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Get 10% off your first order with promo code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAmalibu.com. You'll get free samples with every order, and orders over $50 get free shipping To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE Get 20% off your first mani system when you use promo code BETHEREINFIVE atoliveandjune.com/BETHEREINFIVE Allform is offering twenty percent off all orders for our listeners at Allform.com/bethereinfive As a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting BetterHelp.com/bethereinfive