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In anticipation of Red (TV), Kate reminisces briefly through the Red album and provides her (accidentally 40 minute) All Too Well dissertation (in a pre-Red TV world), reminiscing on what the song meant to her then and now. Then, Kate airs an episode she recorded with Kelly (her sister) in San Diego amidst a coyote scare. They discuss 90s TV like TGIF, SNICK, Hey Dude, Are You Afraid of the Dark, etc., then venture into casual questions like "how to avoid existential dread?" Then Kelly gives a life update in San Diego and shares her version of a once-in-a-lifetime Taylor Swift event (going to a Braves World Series game). They discuss the joy of doing things alone, the transplant dilemma of feeling out of sorts in a new place, the issue of never being satisfied in life or career, do you say "active" or "sometimes" about the gym on dating profiles, they trade for you pages, talk about van life, do a brief rif off, the list goes on. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Allform is offering 20% off all orders for our listeners at Allform.com/bethereinfive Get 25% off when you go to LIQUIDIV.COM and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Head to bookofthemonth.com and use CODE BETHEREINFIVE to get your first book for $9.99 For a limited time, get 15% off your pair of Ultimate Ears FITS True Wireless Earbuds at ue.com/fits. Just use promo code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout

The "Beth: A Week in the Life" series is a format where Kate records for 15-20 mins per day in a given week to discuss what she cares about in that moment, attempting to capture small pockets of her interests that get lost in the fast news cycle. This episode covers a variety of topics, such as: -Irrational childhood fears as developed by The Face on The Milk Carton -Another unforeseen snorkel into the Cosmos, astrology, the book of Genesis, and the origin of time, feat. the ancient world's hottest literary device: antimetaboles! -Early observations about Utah while Kate was on the road for Track 5 -A Halloween rant, KJP's autumn, introvert vs. extrovert holidays -Kate's annoyance with religious people using the "start a riot" sound on Tiktok trend -The Christian persecution complex Kate learned about via DC Talk's bible study about martyrdom -A "Sharenting" snorkel about Mormon family bloggers exploiting their kids' embarrassing moments in puberty for clicks -A brief chat about Fundie vloggers -Some closing thoughts about conversations Kate had in Utah about faith journeys SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS For 15% off and free shipping on your first pair of Marc Fisher LTD shoes, head to marcfisherfootwear.com and enter code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout This holiday, ButcherBox is proud to give new members a free turkey. Just go to ButcherBox.com/BETHEREINFIVE Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners at HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive Right now Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE Get 20% off your first mani system when you use promo code BETHEREINFIVE at oliveandjune.com/BETHEREINFIVE WORKS CITED https://www.newsweek.com/youtube-lets-lawless-lucrative-sharenting-industry-put-kids-mercy-internet-1635112 https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/instagram-facebook-and-the-perils-of-sharenting

Part 2 of the American Girl Deep Dive. Kate reads submitted stories and anecdotes that are hilarious and heartbreaking and everything in between about BTI5 listener's experiences with this iconic American brand and its subsidiary ventures like "The Care and Keeping of You." Following a brief snorkel about LL Bean catalogs, she can't help herself. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Use code BETHEREINFIVE for $5 your first order at broadwayroulette.com Go to Framebridge.com and use promo code BTIF to save an additional 15% off your first order You can grow thicker, healthier hair AND support our show by going to Nutrafol.com and entering the promo code BETHEREINFIVE to save FIFTEEN DOLLARS OFF your first month's subscription. To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/bethereinfive. Don't miss out on this limited time offer! Uncommon Goods. We're all out of the ordinary Use code BETHEREINFIVE for $5 your first order at broadwayroulette.com As a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting BetterHelp.com/bethereinfive

An American Girl deep dive: Part 1. Allow Kate to provide you some pleasant company while she discusses the iconic and historical dolls she grew up worshipping from the Pleasant Company. From catalog culture to Kirsten's actual log culture, Kate discusses her magical experience as a child, her criticisms as an adult, the brand's history, gives her shallow hot takes on the dolls' sartorial and interior choices, and then reads from listener-submitted stories about their memories involving American Girl dolls. WORKS CITED: https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1997-03-18-1997077037-story.html https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/g2708/facts-about-american-girl-dolls/ https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/05/28/addy-walker-american-girl/ https://hellogiggles.com/lifestyle/nostalgia/complicated-love-addy-walker-black-american-girl-doll/ SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: For 15% off and free shipping on your first pair of Marc Fisher LTD shoes, head to marcfisherfootwear.com and enter code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout Helix is offering up to $200 off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive Get better hydration today & 25% off using promo code BETHEREINFIVE at LIQUIDIV.COM Get 10% off your first order with promo code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAmalibu.com Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/BETHEREINFIVE

This week, Kate is answering listener voicemails spanning a variety of topics, including (but not limited to): decoding John Mulaney's relationship timeline via Anna Marie Tendler's art history-forward Instagram, more 'one-hit mumbler' tunes, what if Taylor Swift started an MLM, Kate answering if she's a doomsday prepper, a guide for how to main character, a gripe about bloggers' white towels, a personal update from Kate post-miscarriage, a brief snorkel into Paul Revere's ride, Kate's 'serial killer tendencies,' among other things. Enjoy! To be on the next Katelilah, call 312-379-9676 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Allform is offering 20% off all orders for our listeners at Allform.com/bethereinfive For 20% off your first Aurate purchase, go to AurateNewYork.com/bethereinfive and use promo code bethereinfive. That's 20% off with no minimum spend I want you to start living a happier life today. As a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting BetterHelp.com/bethereinfive Go to Zocdoc.com/BETHEREINFIVE and download the Zocdoc app to sign-up for FREE and book a top-rated doctor. Many are available as soon as today.

A deep DIYve. In this episode, Kate explores DIY blogging through the lens of LDS influencers that promote power tools as a tool for women's empowerment. Kate meanders through her history with home decor shows, discusses how she came to find this renovated girl boss messaging, then walks through the who/what/when/why of how some members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints got heavily involved with blogging, and more specifically (per listener emails from church members) how DIY blogging is a clear extension of LDS members' religious-cultural values. Then, Kate discusses how there are distinctions in monetization methods that DIY bloggers often pursue. Some can be harmless/helpful, some often subtly promote a pyramid scheme, and some could be potentially dangerous in the pursuit of profit for their 'non-expert' construction tutorials that often circumvent input from professionals. Enjoy! BE THERE IN FIVE LIVE TICKETS! bethereinfive.com/live-shows Bonus episodes, e.g. Twilight as a Mormon allegory: patreon.com/bethereinfive WORKS CITED https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/30/6-facts-about-u-s-mormons/ https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/the-latter-day-saint-woman-basic-manual-for-women-part-a/women-in-the-church/lesson-13-women-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/22/mormons-more-likely-to-marry-have-more-children-than-other-u-s-religious-groups/ https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2008/07/sharing-the-gospel-using-the-internet?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/2010/12/news-of-the-church/church-members-share-the-gospel-online?lang=eng SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Helix is offering up to $200 off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE and turn healthy habits into a Ritual With Boll & Branch, listeners get an exclusive 15% off your first set of sheets with promo code BETHEREINFIVE at bollandbranch.com ButcherBox™ is giving new. members free ground beef FOR LIFE! Sign up at ButcherBox.com/BETHEREINFIVE and get 2 pounds of ground beef free in every order for the life of your membership

This week, Kate sits down and chats with Amanda Montell, author of Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism to discuss the LuLaRoe documentary from a culty and linguistic angle. They discuss a variety of topics surrounding the language and communication styles of Mark & DeAnn and how they were effective in coercing thousands of women to join their self-serving organization that had all the trappings of cult. They talk through some of Kate's cult-related questions, e.g. how did Mark & DeAnn have so much power over people? What distinguishes something well-meaning from something manipulative? What is the fine line between groups with shared interests and groups that become exclusive, coercive and restrictive? How can we be more discerning so we don't fall down a buttery slope? All that and more on part 2 of the LuLaRich deep dive! Enjoy! Be There in Five Live Tickets: bethereinfive.com/live-shows Washington, DC: October 16 Salt Lake City: October 28 San Diego: November 7 Boston: SOLD OUT Atlanta: SOLD OUT Seattle: SOLD OUT Bonus episodes: patreon.com/bethereinfive SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Get 10% off your first order with promo code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAmalibu.com. You'll get free samples with every order, and orders over $50 get free shipping To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE Get 20% off your first mani system when you use promo code BETHEREINFIVE atoliveandjune.com/BETHEREINFIVE Allform is offering twenty percent off all orders for our listeners at Allform.com/bethereinfive As a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting BetterHelp.com/bethereinfive

This is part 1 of a 2-part deep dive about the Amazon Prime documentary LuLaRich, a series chronicling the rise and fall of the infamously moldy, egregiously unattractive, paper thin short-lived leggings empire, LuLaRoe. After learning this company is holy in more ways than one, Kate dives into a couple different angles she wanted to elaborate on following watching the documentary, the first being the relationship to her prior series about the "venn diagram" of exploitative sales pitches and how this relates to other predatory practices of self-help/cults/religions/etc. Beyond that, Kate digs a bit more into DeAnne's background, patriarchal influences, estranged sister, and then moves on to try and figure out what was the actual best case earning potential of this "once in a lifetime opportunity." After that, she uncharacteristically proceeds to do a lot of mental math and walks you through her discoveries as it relates to what she found out that could've really gone down with their inventory's demise after going through some of the paperwork related to their cargo shipments. A little heavy, a little light, every Kendall at the Met Gala needs their Kim shadow. Part 2 coming Thursday with Amanda Montell (author of Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism), which will be a more specific discussion about how to spot culty tendencies and avoid getting ourselves involved in a situation that could turn into a slippery, nay, buttery, slope . Buy upcoming Be There in Five Live show tickets here: bethereinfive.com/live-shows Bonus episodes like Twilight: A Mormon Allegory? At patreon.com/bethereinfive WORKS CITED https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/lularoe-millennial-women-entrepreneurship-lawsuits https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09/16/jana-riess-lularoe-shadow/ https://annehelen.substack.com/p/what-got-left-out-of-lularich https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/4/30/18524356/lularoe-sellers-bankruptcy-mlm https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/lularoe-lawsuit https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/feminist-movement-20th-century-feminist-legal-battles https://thesnappingpoint.com/why-are-lularoe-leggings-so-damn-ugly/ https://www.truthinadvertising.org/lularoe-wants-silence-critics/ SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS For 20% off your first Aurate purchase, go to AurateNewYork.com/bethereinfive and use promo code BETHEREINFIVE To get $10 cashback on your first transaction of $20 or more, just head to your local CVS and pay using your PayPal or Venmo app.To see terms and learn more about how to earn $10 cashback, go to paypal.com/BETHEREINFIVE Go to Zocdoc.com/BETHEREINFIVE and download the Zocdoc app to sign-up for FREE and book a top-rated doctor. Many are available as soon as today. 25% off ANYTHING you order when you get better hydration today using promo code BETHEREINFIVE at LIQUIDIV.COM Go to Nutrafol.com and entering the promo code BETHEREINFIVE to save 15 dollars off your first month's subscription plus FREE shipping on EVERY order.

This week starts with Kate sharing an update about how her birthday surprise turned out along with the weird coincidences and special moments that made her hopeful she's headed for Better Days. Relevant to the surprise, the first hour or so is a nostalgic snorkel covering carnivals, concerts, and 90s mumbly pop rock (feat. an intense argument for why the Goo Goo Dolls are the greatest), followed by an interview in the second hour with 3 very esteemed guests, Kate's husband's sisters Rachel, Claire, and Ally. Kate and her sisters-in-law cover a variety of pop culture topics, mostly about late 90s/early 2000s emo, punk, and pop alt rock artists and their ability to be considered "cool" or not, featuring a conversation surrounding perennial pop cultural punching bag: Nickelback. A funny and lighthearted episode all around featuring a random pocket of popular culture. Note: The second half of this episode was originally posted to Patreon as a bonus, but the first half is brand new! Enjoy. TRACK 5 TICKETS ON SALE THURSDAY 9.16 AT NOON! Get tickets to all at bethereinfive.com/live-shows 10/16: Washington, DC @ The Howard Theater 10/28: Salt Lake City @ Depot SLC 11/7: San Diego @ House of Blues 11/12: Boston (Cambridge) @ The Sinclair 12/4: Atlanta @ Center Stage (The Loft) 12/9: Seattle @ The Crocodile SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Helix is offering up to $200 off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive Get 20% off your first mani system when you use promo code BETHEREINFIVE at oliveandjune.com/BETHEREINFIVE Right now Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE and turn healthy habits into a Ritual As a listener, you'll get 10% off your first month by visiting BetterHelp.com/bethereinfive

Kate's got 9/9 problems and her birthday is one. Today is her bday and she decided to spend the workday with you meandering through some birthday-related thoughts, musings, and memories. From the heavier topics, e.g. the pressures we put on ourselves to be at a certain place in life, coping with the birthday blues, managing your own expectations, and why other people's parties look so fun to lighter fare, such as the good/better/best of childhood bday party gift giving and reading from crowdsourced stories that she collected last minute. She got WAY more responses than anticipated then ran out of time, so expect a second part bonus where she dives into listeners' longer form stories. All in all, she hopes we can relate to one another, realize it's ok to feel two ways about a birthday, and to go a little easier on ourselves, as the passage of time marked by these milestones can often make you feel us odds with what's far more important; you deserve being celebrated. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS For 20% off your first Aurate purchase, go to AurateNewYork.com/bethereinfive and use promo code. BETHEREINFIVE. That's 20% off with no minimum spend To experience the best sheets you've ever felt, choose Boll & Branch. You can try them worry-free for 30 nights, with free shipping and returns. And my listeners get an exclusive 15% off your first set of sheets with promo code BETHEREINFIVE at bollandbranch.com ButcherBox is giving our listeners Ground Beef for Life! That's 2 pounds of ground beef for the life of your subscription for free! Right now, new members can get this special deal when they sign up at ButcherBox.com/BETHEREINFIVE To get $10 cashback on your first transaction of $20 or more, just head to your local CVS and pay using your PayPal or Venmo app. ○ That's $10 cashback on your first purchase of $20 or more with the PayPal or Venmo app. ○ To see terms and learn more about how to earn $10 cashback, go to paypal.com/BETHEREINFIVE.