
Revenue Builders
Welcome to the Revenue Builders podcast, a weekly show featuring B2B sales leaders and executives. Hosted by Five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management’s Co-Founder John Kaplan, the show goes in the barrel, behind the scenes with the people who have been there, done that and seen the results. Revenue Builders covers the best practices for scaling and growing your business, while sharing the pitfalls to avoid. Great conversation. Solid interviews. Tangible takeaways to help you succeed. If you enjoy our content, please subscribe, rate and review the show to help us reach more people.
This show is brought to you by: Force Management where we help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale. Check out forcemanagement.com more information
Latest episodes

Jul 4, 2024 • 3min
A Quick Request
Hosts seek support and nominations for a podcast award, express gratitude to listeners, hint at future episodes with notable guests on redefining success.

Jun 30, 2024 • 5min
Getting Team Members to Open Up with Harsha Jalihal
Harsha Jalihal, Chief People Officer at MongoDB, shares insights on fostering open team communication. She highlights building trust, getting to know team members personally, and navigating difficult conversations. Key takeaways include asking direct questions and providing space for honesty.

Jun 27, 2024 • 1h 9min
Story of a Turnaround: The Long Game of Leadership
Football coach Scot Loeffler discusses turning around the BGSU program by hiring the right staff, instilling a winning culture, and daily championship habits. He shares insights on leadership, accountability, and recruitment, drawing parallels between coaching athletes and leading sales teams. Loeffler emphasizes authenticity, building genuine relationships, and the power of resilience observed in players like Tom Brady and Tim Tebow.

Jun 23, 2024 • 6min
The Difference Between PE and VC Investments with Dave Tiley
Dave Tiley from Align Capital Partners discusses the differences between PE and VC investments. Topics include high-risk VC investments, accelerating growth in PE-backed companies, board makeup variations, operational optimization strategies, and scaling companies from millions to hundreds of millions.

Jun 20, 2024 • 24min
Mental Toughness in Sales
Guests Marcy Stoudt, Jim Pouliopoulus, and Greg Poss share insights on avoiding burnout, overcoming negativity bias, and applying mental toughness in sales. Topics include work-life balance, training the brain to focus on positivity, and rewiring the brain for success.

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Jun 16, 2024 • 9min
Discovery and Aligning to Your Buyer with Doug May
Doug May, Senior Vice President of Productivity at Harness, discusses the art of discovery and aligning with buyers. Key topics include pre-meeting research, industry pressures, financial conditions, and aligning solutions with customer strategies

Jun 13, 2024 • 1h 11min
Selling to the Government with Tom Smerczynski
If you’re looking to improve your company’s ability to sell into the government, this Revenue Builder’s episode is for you. Our guest, Tom Smerczynski has decades of experience in winning government contracts. He’s held numerous senior executive roles, generating billions of dollars in deal flow and corporate value. His expertise lies in developing high-performance organizations within the complex government acquisition and procurement system. As CEO and President of the Talisman Group, founded in 2019, Tom focuses on translating strategy into growth, particularly optimizing sales in the public sector. His broad operating experience, from small businesses to global corporations, equips him with the ability to create scalable business development systems tailored to dynamic government organizations, while his coaching and training skills enable him to guide businesses and leaders to success.In this episode, John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by Tom Smerczynski, CEO of Talisman Group, to explore the complexities of selling to the government and engaging customers successfully. Tom, a government contracting expert with decades of experience, shares valuable insights on proper discovery, understanding procurement systems, and using contract vehicles effectively. The conversation delves into the significance of gathering and leveraging information, identifying key government roles, and finding the information you need to get ahead of the contracts. Additionally, the hosts provide guidance on building a robust sales pipeline, understanding industry language, and identifying essential players in customer engagement. They emphasize the importance of past performance, value differentiation, and aligning sales teams with specific government contracts and agencies. This episode serves as a comprehensive guide for companies aiming to navigate government sales and advance their sales strategies to win dealsTune in and learn more about this episode of The Revenue Builders Podcast.HERE ARE SOME KEY SECTIONS TO CHECK OUT[00:02:33] Understanding Government Sales[00:04:12] Importance of Information in Government Sales[00:06:39] Navigating Government Contract Vehicles[00:08:50] Strategies for Winning Government Contracts[00:11:36] Role of Prime Contractors and Task Orders[00:13:46] Influencing RFPs and Early Access to Information[00:17:23] Building Effective Sales Teams for Government Contracts[00:28:05] Leveraging Past Performance and Experience[00:38:07] Understanding Government Contract Vehicles[00:38:51] The Importance of Experience and Knowledge[00:39:27] Navigating Government Sales Cycles[00:41:31] Leveraging Information Tools for Government Contracts[00:44:23] Breaking Down Government RFPs: Sections C, L, and M[00:47:10] Building a Compliance Matrix[00:48:31] Effective Government Sales Strategies[00:57:01] Structuring a Government Sales Team[00:59:46] Developing a Roadmap for Government Sales[01:03:17] Engaging with Government CustomersADDITIONAL RESOURCESLearn more about aligning customer-facing teams to improve execution: https://forc.mx/48o1jyPConnect and learn more about Thomas "Tom" Smerczynski.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-tom-smerczynski-b8b43a7/E-mail: tsmerczy@verizon.netHIGHLIGHT QUOTES[00:44:53] On Understanding RFPs: "Every federal procurement is pretty much consistent now. Section C is the scope of work, Section L is the instructions, and Section M is the evaluation criteria."[01:06:01] On Building Roadmaps for Success: "Before you start investing too much money, look at the infrastructure, tools, and technology needed."

Jun 9, 2024 • 8min
Pain and Gain: Aligning Technical Sales
In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by John Care from Mastering Technical Sales to discuss the crucial role of Sales Engineers (SEs) in the sales process. They explore the dynamics between SEs and Account Executives (AEs), the importance of thorough discovery, and how SEs can leverage both pain and gain to drive successful sales outcomes. Tune in to learn how effective collaboration and a balanced approach to technical sales can transform your sales strategy.KEY TAKEAWAYS[00:00:28] The Role of Sales Engineers in Sales Dynamics: SEs often act as a counterbalance to AEs by slowing down the process to ensure thorough discovery and alignment with customer needs.[00:01:15] Importance of Discovery in Sales: Effective discovery is crucial for understanding customer problems and setting the stage for successful demos and proof of concepts (POCs).[00:02:02] The "Dash to Demo" Pitfall: Rushing to present demos without proper discovery can lead to generalized demonstrations and undefined criteria for success.[00:03:00] Balancing Pain and Gain: While most deals are driven by pain points, understanding and leveraging potential gains can significantly differentiate your sales approach.[00:05:36] The Power of Storytelling in Sales: Using before-and-after stories of other customers can effectively highlight the benefits of a solution and engage prospects emotionally.HIGHLIGHT QUOTES[00:00:57] "The biggest point of friction between sales engineers and account execs is the speed of the transaction, particularly when it relates to discovery."[00:02:09] "One of the most popular workshops that we deliver is called business value discovery, and it's really, we say, you have to paint the target before you can shoot at it."[00:03:23] "Everybody in the world, every sales methodology, says find the pain, solve the pain, you'll get the deal. However, about 20 percent of deals are driven by gain."[00:04:41] "The difference between a good SC and a world-class SC is that they can find the gain and that extra 20 percent of deals that they can put in pipeline to help the AE."[00:07:18] "The best sales conversations include pain and gain. One without the other is not a very successful sales call."Listen to the full episode with John Care through this link: https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/the-value-of-sales-engineers-in-the-sales-process-with-john-care/Check out John McMahon’s book here:Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4Check out Force Management’s Ascender platform here: https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/

Jun 6, 2024 • 1h 6min
Rethinking Success and Finding Purpose with Doug Holladay
Doug Holladay, author of 'Rethinking Success' and founder of PathNorth, discusses illusions of success, redefining personal identity, embracing vulnerability, importance of relationships, and finding meaning through shared narratives.

Jun 2, 2024 • 7min
Key Factors that Help a Company Scale
Neeraj Agrawal, General Partner at Battery Ventures, discusses key dimensions of successful startups: market, team, technology, and deal terms. Emphasizes market timing and product quality in the cloud era. Highlights the need for strong sales processes and a large TAM to cover early mistakes.