
Figuring Things Out
Welcome to the Figuring Things Out Podcast, hosted by Wil Brown. Inspired by our favourite metaphor, the 5 blind folk and the elephant, each series hosts 5 practitioners, teachers and fascinating humans upon a given topic. Each episode is an opportunity to explore the the topic in a new and unique light, eventually gaining an overarching clarity.
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Latest episodes

Jun 29, 2025 • 2h 35min
PRACTICE: Bren Veziroglu (BJJ/Ecological dynamics/Movement)
Bren Veziroglou, a movement teacher and researcher, shares his insights on ecological dynamics and its impactful role in physical training. He discusses his journey from gaming to mastering Jiu-Jitsu and emphasizes intrinsic motivation as crucial for sustaining practice. Topics include Ido Portal's movement philosophy, the nonlinear nature of learning, and how enjoyment beats traditional 'no pain, no gain' mindset. Bren also explores practical applications of movement concepts in various contexts, stressing the importance of engaging tasks for better skill development.

Jun 22, 2025 • 1h 24min
PRACTICE: Isabel Kelly (OneSoma/Bodywork/Bodybuilding)
Isabel Kelly, a physical practitioner and strength athlete, shares her transformative journey from elite volleyball to bodywork. She discusses the societal challenges women face in strength training and how to overcome limiting beliefs. Isabel highlights the emotional ties to fitness and the role of effective communication in bodywork. The podcast also emphasizes the importance of personalized routines, partnership in movement, and embracing joy in physicality. With a blend of personal stories and professional insights, Isabel encourages listeners to redefine their fitness narratives.

Jun 15, 2025 • 1h 39min
PRACTICE: Joachim Hilderson (Flexibility/Movement/Bodybuilding)
Joachim Hilderson, a former bodybuilder turned mobility coach, discusses his inspiring journey through an autoimmune disease and the transformative power of the carnivore diet. He emphasizes the importance of personalized training, balancing strength and flexibility, and unique techniques like toe points and dislocates. The conversation dives into the impact of social media on fitness trends and how dietary choices can greatly affect health. Hilderson also shares insights on optimizing training for individual needs and the significance of recovery strategies for progress.

Feb 24, 2025 • 22min
Giving up to start again // Aaron Griffiths
Aaron Griffiths, a former lawyer turned movement practitioner, opens up about his life-changing journey of quitting drinking and reconnecting with his body. He emphasizes the healing power of movement, discussing various modalities that address emotional challenges. The conversation dives into the balance between rigidity and fluidity in physical practice, illustrating how personal transformation mirrors emotional and spiritual growth. Aaron's honest reflections reveal the connection between presence, flow, and the vital role of movement in attaining authenticity.

Feb 17, 2025 • 10min
Wrestling with Tiger Sharks // Chiara Salomani
In this engaging conversation, Chiara shares her thrilling and sometimes terrifying experiences with sharks while free diving. She discusses the importance of managing fear and panic in high-stress situations, emphasizing the need for control and awareness. The dialogue explores how these underwater encounters can teach valuable life lessons about composure and decision-making in the face of fear.---To support the podcast, join us here: www.patreon.com/figuringthingsoutpodcastFor Online Coaching, Courses & Events: www.figuringthingsout.com---00:00 Preparing for Shark Encounters: Mental and Physical Readiness03:35 Close Calls: Navigating Dangerous Situations#FiguringThingsOut

Feb 10, 2025 • 17min
How do you define enough? // Tom Foxley
Tom Foxley, a personal growth expert, discusses the nuances of authenticity and finding balance in life. He emphasizes the importance of defining what 'better' means versus merely striving for 'more.' The conversation explores challenges individuals face when aligning their ideals with reality, underscoring the value of self-reflection. Tom shares insights on how emotional intelligence can lead to meaningful personal growth and the struggle for authenticity, particularly within the strict confines of military training.

Feb 6, 2025 • 19min
From Skateboarding to Crossfit to Acrobatics // Nil Teisner
Nil Teisner, a movement and creativity aficionado, shares his journey through skateboarding, strength training, and acrobatics. He delves into the power of repetition for skill mastery while discussing the evolving perspectives on risk and safety in sports. Nil emphasizes the importance of micro variations in movement, which foster creativity and reduce fear. He also highlights a deep appreciation for skateboard culture, naming influential skaters, and the personal connections that fuel his love for movement.

Jan 6, 2025 • 59min
FEAR & RISK: Nil Teisner (Acrobatics/Skateboarding/Movement)
Nil Teisner, a movement teacher, skater, and acrobat, shares his fascinating journey through movement and creativity. He discusses the evolution of his relationship with risk and fear, sparked by skateboarding and acrobatics. The importance of repetition in learning and the impact of injuries on movement practice come to light. Nil emphasizes the significance of naming movements and explores how micro variations and self-talk influence mastery. He also reveals an upcoming Lisbon workshop focused on boosting confidence through creativity.

Dec 30, 2024 • 1h 1min
FEAR & RISK: Tom Foxley (Commando/Mental Fitness Coach)
Series 6 of the FTO Podcast explores the topic of Fear & Risk. Episode 4 is one of the best of the chats so far on the poddy! Tom is an OG Podcaster and it shows. He has a natural way of sharing incredible value in such a short time. I very much enjoyed this conversation, and I think you will also.
Tom shares his journey into fatherhood and the challenges that come with it, including the constant fluctuation between fear and responsibility. He discusses the importance of understanding the mind-body connection and how it relates to personal growth and resilience. Tom emphasises the difference between pursuing 'more' versus 'better' in life, and how clarity and character play crucial roles in achieving personal goals. He also explores the dynamics of coaching versus therapy, highlighting the importance of actionable steps in personal development.
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Dec 22, 2024 • 56min
FEAR & RISK: Chiara Salomoni (Freediver/Shark Photographer)
Explore the thrilling world of free diving and shark photography! The speakers share their exhilarating encounters with blue sharks and great whites, diving deep into the psychology of fear and excitement. They discuss transforming misconceptions about sharks through education and photography, while emphasizing safety and respect for marine life. With humorous anecdotes and gripping close encounters, they encourage embracing uncertainty and mastering the art of underwater exploration.