
Typology
Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who are trying to become the best version of themselves in the world.
Latest episodes

Apr 18, 2025 • 40min
The Soul Beneath the Symptoms, feat. Michael J. Cusick
This week on Typology, I sat down with my dear friend, therapist and spiritual director, Michael Cusick for a raw, wise, and deeply compassionate conversation about the connection between attachments and our path to healing. Michael—founder of Restoring the Soul and a true guide for the journey inward—helps us unpack the idea that our symptoms (anxiety, compulsions, burnout, you name it) aren’t signs we’re broken…but sacred signals that our soul is calling for care. We talk about: How trauma, shame, and burnout stand in the way of our relationship with God Why “trying harder” doesn’t lead to transformation What spiritual bypassing actually looks like—and how to avoid it The Four S’s of attachment -- seeing, soothing, safety, and security – and the crucial role they play in spiritual healing This is one of those episodes you’ll want to listen to more than once and maybe share with a friend who’s in the thick of it. ==================================================== CONNECT WITH IAN: Website: https://ianmorgancron.com Podcast: https://typologypodcast.com Online Learning: https://typologyinstitute.com Find Your Type: https://typologyinstitute.com/assessment The Fix: https://ianmorgancron.com/thefix FOLLOW IAN: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ianmorgancron LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron/ YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/imcron FOLLOW TYPOLOGY PODCAST: https://www.instagram.com/typologypodcast https://www.facebook.com/typologypodcast

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Apr 10, 2025 • 42min
An Enneagram Six's Journey to Open-Heartedness, feat. Jeff Chu
In this insightful conversation, Jeff Chu, author of 'Good Soil: The Education of an Accidental Farmhand', shares his extraordinary journey from journalism to farming as a self-identified Enneagram Six. He explores the surprising spiritual growth found in agriculture, lessons of trust and vulnerability, and the beauty of second chances. Jeff candidly discusses his struggles with anxiety while emphasizing the importance of community and the transformative power of embracing life's unpredictability. This engaging dialogue is rich with humor and wisdom that resonates with all.

Apr 3, 2025 • 37min
Smart, Not Loud: Strategies for Getting Noticed at Work with Jessica Chen
In this engaging discussion, Jessica Chen, author and Enneagram 3, shares her insights on navigating workplace challenges for quieter personalities. She offers valuable strategies for building a career brand that gets you noticed for all the right reasons. Topics range from the importance of self-awareness to practical tips for conflict engagement. Jessica introduces her A-R-C method—Ask, Runway, Celebrate—to help introverts thrive in vibrant work environments. Her personal journey highlights how to find your voice and enhance visibility in a corporate landscape.

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Mar 27, 2025 • 47min
How to Cultivate a Deep-Rooted Marriage, feat. Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call
Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call, both Enneagram authors and marriage therapists, share their insights on cultivating deep-rooted marriages. They discuss the impact of curiosity in resolving conflicts and the significance of gratitude and playfulness in strengthening bonds. The duo explores how the Enneagram can guide couples in understanding emotional dynamics, addressing shame, and enhancing intimacy. Listeners gain practical advice for nurturing understanding and rejoicing in the unique quirks of their partners, fostering lasting connections.

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Mar 20, 2025 • 1h 6min
How to Transform Shame into Empowerment through Storytelling, feat. ESPN reporter Lauren Sisler
Lauren Sisler, an Emmy award-winning sports broadcaster, shares her inspiring journey of overcoming personal loss and the shame associated with addiction. In a heartfelt conversation, she discusses the power of storytelling for healing, revealing the struggles of losing both parents to opioid addiction. The dialogue also explores the nuances of her Enneagram type, shedding light on self-care, boundaries, and the importance of genuine connections. Listeners are encouraged to embrace vulnerability as a means of personal transformation and empowerment.

Mar 13, 2025 • 56min
Jason Wahler's Recovery Journey: Navigating Codependency and Self-Discovery
This week we welcome the incredible Jason Wahler, a passionate advocate for addiction education and recovery. You may recognize Jason from shows like Laguna Beach, The Hills, and Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew. His journey through addiction and recovery is both inspiring and enlightening. In this episode, we discuss Jason's Enneagram type, which he recently discovered to be a 3 with a 2 wing. Together, we explore what this means for him personally and how it relates to his experiences in recovery. Jason shares his story of transformation, the challenges he's faced, and the profound insights he's gained along the way. Here are some highlights you won't want to miss: Understanding the Enneagram: We break down what it means to be a Type 3 and how the 2 wing influences Jason's personality and relationships. The Journey of Self-Discovery: Jason reflects on how sobriety has allowed him to reconnect with his true self and rediscover his passions. The Role of Codependency: We discuss the importance of recognizing codependent behaviors and how they can impact recovery. Practical Insights: Jason shares valuable lessons on how to maintain balance and structure in life, especially in the context of recovery. Tune in now to hear Jason's powerful story and learn how the Enneagram can provide clarity and understanding in your own life. _________________________________________________________ Guest's Links: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/JasonWahler YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JasonWahler Website: https://www.jasonwahler.com/ Director of Development for the Change Your Brain Foundation Change Your Brain LA Hope Fire Fighter Alyst Health: https://www.alysthealth.com/ SobrSafe: https://sobrsafe.com/ Connect with Ian: https://ianmorgancron.com Instagram | Facebook | TikTok | YouTube Typology Institute for Online Enneagram Courses Typology Institute Enneagram Assessment Typology Podcast The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp Online Therapy. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/typologypodcast and get on your way to becoming your best self.

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Mar 6, 2025 • 47min
The One-to-One Seven: Unpacking the Unique Landscape of Enneagram 7s w/Justin Heap
In this episode of Typology, host Ian Cron welcomes Enneagram 7, Justin Heap, a creative consultant, certified Enneagram coach, and author. Together, they dive deep into the unique inner world of the Enneagram 7, particularly focusing on the one-to-one subtype, which often resembles the emotional depth of a four. Join Ian and Justin as they explore: The adventurous spirit of Enneagram 7s and their love for possibility The often hidden emotional landscape beneath the lighthearted exterior of sevens The impact of childhood experiences on the development of a seven's personality The relationship between fear, anxiety, and the seven's quest for freedom The fascinating connection between sevens and fours, including the allure of mysticism Practical advice for young sevens on cultivating presence and deepening relationships Whether you're a seven yourself or simply curious about the Enneagram, this episode offers valuable insights into understanding the complexities of this personality type. Don't forget to check out Justin's latest book, "By & By & Never, Poetry and Art," and stay tuned for more enlightening discussions on the Enneagram! Listen now and discover the rich inner world of the Enneagram 7! 🔗 Visit Justin Heap's website 📚 Grab Ian's new book, "The Fix," available everywhere fine books are sold! 👍 Like, subscribe, and share for more episodes on the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram!

Mar 1, 2025 • 51min
Navigating Difficult Conversations: LaTasha Morrison's Irenic Approach to Racial Equity and Justice
LaTasha Morrison, author of the bestselling books Be the Bridge and Brown Faces, White Spaces, shares her insights on navigating difficult conversations about racial equity. She emphasizes the significance of empathy and grace, particularly from her perspective as an Enneagram 9. LaTasha sheds light on the complexities of racial identity, the importance of truth in reconciliation, and how love can bridge divides in predominantly white spaces. Her experiences highlight the critical role of education and compassion in fostering understanding and healing.

Feb 20, 2025 • 48min
Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison
Betsy Wills, co-author of 'Your Hidden Genius' and co-founder of YouScience, teams up with Alex Ellison, founder of Throughline Guidance, to delve into the fascinating intersection of aptitudes and the Enneagram. They discuss how understanding your innate talents can boost personal and professional relationships. The duo shares insights on the strengths of specific Enneagram pairings, the significance of self-awareness for career wellness, and practical tips for aligning personal strengths with fulfilling career paths.

Feb 13, 2025 • 36min
James Rhodes on Navigating Life as an Enneagram Nine [S08-033]
In this conversation, James Rhodes, co-founder of the artist-owned record label FiXT, delves into his journey as an Enneagram Type 9. He discusses the challenges of passivity, navigating emotions, and the art of assertiveness. James shares insights on using music for emotional expression and the transformational impact of the Enneagram on his work and family life. He emphasizes the importance of self-care and emotional connection in personal growth, offering a unique perspective for those exploring self-awareness and relationships.
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