
Nerd Marketing
The Nerd Marketing Ecommerce Podcast is a series of conversations about growing an ecommerce business. It's by CEOs and CMOs for CEOs and CMOs. Ecommerce veterans and 20-year operators Drew Sanocki and Michael Epstein deliver clear, actionable, data-driven strategies.
Latest episodes

Mar 25, 2025 • 25min
NM Live: Maximizing Your Shopify Store’s Valuation with Drew Fallon, CEO of Iris
What’s driving eCommerce valuations today? Drew Fallon, CEO of Iris Finance, reveals the latest trends in M&A, what makes a Shopify store attractive to buyers, and the financial strategies that separate high-growth brands from struggling ones. If you're a CEO or CFO thinking about scaling or selling, this episode is a must-listen.

Mar 19, 2025 • 34min
NM Live: Series A Success, Cozy Earth’s Direct Mail Wins & Email + Direct Mail Synergy
Drew Sanocki and Michael Epstein break down PostPilot’s Series A journey - why they chose growth equity over VC, the challenges of raising capital, and how it impacted their business strategy. They also dive into Cozy Earth’s winning direct mail strategy, revealing how the brand optimized its catalog program for faster, more effective customer acquisition. Plus, they introduce the Email Echo Strategy, a powerful way for brands to extend their email marketing impact using direct mail.

Mar 11, 2025 • 27min
NM Live: Shopify’s Enterprise Gap, Loyalty Myths & Smarter eCommerce Playbooks
Shopify has made a huge push into the enterprise market, but why are so many big brands still hesitant to make the switch? Drew and Michael break down key insights from eTail, explore why legacy brands remain stuck on outdated tech stacks, and highlight the massive opportunity Shopify is missing. They also debunk common loyalty program myths and share smarter retention strategies that actually drive results.

Feb 26, 2025 • 27min
NM Live: Klaviyo’s Big CRM Launch & Why Direct Mail is a Retail Growth Hack
Klaviyo just launched its first-ever CRM built for B2C brands, and Drew was on the ground at the event. He and Michael break down what this means for eCommerce, Klaviyo’s competitive landscape, and whether this signals a major shift in the industry. Plus, they dive into two major DTC acquisitions and reveal how Four Sigmatic leveraged direct mail to drive retail success.

Feb 18, 2025 • 32min
NM LIVE: DTC Super Bowl, CFO-CMO Synergy & Scaling Apparel Brands
Super Bowl ads are the biggest marketing stage of the year - but are they actually driving new customer acquisition? Drew and Mike break down why most ads focused on brand retention over acquisition and what that means for DTC brands. Plus, they dive into the CFO-CMO dynamic - how alignment between these roles drives real, profitable growth - and why apparel brands like Vuori and Buck Mason are scaling direct mail into a multimillion-dollar acquisition channel.

Feb 11, 2025 • 26min
NM Live: Surviving Tariffs, Meta Madness & Hexclad’s Super Bowl Play
The DTC landscape is shifting fast: tariffs are disrupting supply chains, Meta’s ad platform is more unpredictable than ever, and DTC brands are feeling the pressure. Drew and Michael break down the five major ways tariffs are impacting eCommerce, how Meta’s latest changes are frustrating advertisers, and why brands like Hexclad are scaling smarter—with strategies like direct mail and a Super Bowl commercial.

Feb 4, 2025 • 28min
NM Live: The CMO Playbook – Smarter Customer Acquisition, First-Party Data, Marketing Efficiency
Drew and Michael break down why over-relying on one channel is risky, why ROAS is flawed, and how cutting costs can backfire. Plus, insights on driving high AOV in acquisition, beauty brand demographics, and the Jonathan Adler acquisition.

Jan 28, 2025 • 29min
NM Live: 2025 Predictions, Abercrombie & True Religion’s Successes, Trends & Turnarounds
Introducing Nerd Marketing Live, our new format where Drew and Mike break down key insights and trends in the eComm/retail space and answer audience questions. In this episode, they spotlight how True Religion and Abercrombie achieved remarkable turnarounds and what other businesses can learn from their success. They discuss key trends shaping 2025, including the role of AI, the retail comeback for DTC brands, and the growing importance of efficient marketing strategies. Plus, get insights into benchmarks and key trends that will help brands thrive in the year ahead.

Jul 2, 2024 • 25min
Synergies Between Direct Mail and Digital Marketing: 1 + 1 = 3
Drew and Michael welcome Tim Curtis, CEO of CohereOne, to discuss the often-overlooked advantages of direct mail. Learn how catalogs create a halo effect on other marketing channels, boost online sales, and enhance customer lifetime value. Get practical tips on launching your own catalog campaign and see why direct mail is a game-changer for modern marketing.

Jun 24, 2024 • 32min
Meta Who? Building a Direct Mail Marketing-First Business like Baudville Brands
Drew and Michael sit down with Brad Darooge, CEO of www.baudville.com/. Learn how Baudville went all-in on direct mail: how they did it, why they did it, and gives some actionable tips to incorporate direct mail into your marketing mix.