

Sales made Simple for Outdoor Living Pros, Landscapers and Hardscapers (formerly Outerspaces)
Joshua Gillow
This podcast is dedicated to helping overwhelmed outdoor living professionals, landscapers and Hardscapers just like you increase your closing rate to over 75% without doubling your workload so you can build a seven-figure business that doesn't need you.
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Jan 7, 2026 • 34min
Why “Impressing” Homeowners Is the Worst Sales Strategy w/ Jon Valenta from General Pavingstones
Jon Valenta, a hardscaping expert and owner of General Pavingstones, shares his transformative journey after embracing sales training, which boosted his close rate from 30% to nearly 90%. He discusses the pitfalls of free designs and the importance of qualifying clients early to avoid wasting time. Valenta emphasizes the power of listening to customer needs over technical jargon, fostering relationships over mere transactions, and how consistent sales processes can lead to improved job satisfaction and efficient business practices.

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Dec 29, 2025 • 25min
How a Outdoor Living Pro Turned Sales Frustration into Business Control w/ General Pavingstone's, Jon Valenta
Join John Valenta, a seasoned residential hardscaping expert and owner of General Paving Stones, as he shares his transformation from commercial landscapes to crafting exquisite patios. He opens up about the challenges of running a small business, including the frustrations of low sales and client indecision. Discover why he believes effective communication is the key to growth and how empowering his team has paved the way for better results. John's journey is packed with insights on balancing craftsmanship and client expectations, all while striving for financial freedom.

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Dec 22, 2025 • 25min
Outdoor Living Pro Pricing Strategies to Stay Profitable in 2026 w/ Financial Expert, Greg Crabtree
In this engaging discussion, financial expert Greg Crabtree shares insights on contractor profitability and adaptive pricing strategies. He highlights effective methods for managing cash flow during slow seasons while optimizing capacity. Greg emphasizes the value of premium pricing, storytelling, and utilizing AI tools to showcase work. He warns against bidding just to cover overhead and stresses the importance of choosing the right projects. With a focus on efficiency and strategic planning, he prepares contractors for a resilient future in a challenging market.

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Dec 17, 2025 • 30min
The Financial Discipline Landscapers and Hardscapers Need Heading Into 2026 w/ Financial Expert, Greg Crabtree
In this insightful conversation, financial expert Greg Crabtree, founder of Simple Numbers, shares his expertise with outdoor living professionals. He emphasizes the importance of gross margin over top-line revenue as the economy shifts. Greg discusses how to optimize staffing and pricing to navigate a slower market. Listeners will learn about the impact of economic signals on demand and discover strategies for using technology to enhance profitability. Prepare for 2026 by focusing on operational efficiency and protecting margins!

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Dec 15, 2025 • 8min
A Simple Mindset Shift Helping Outdoor Living Pros Close More…You vs. the Overcomplicators
Confusion is the silent deal killer in sales, especially for outdoor living pros. A clear process boosts client confidence and accelerates decisions. Listeners discover a three-lane framework to simplify their approach: showing a clear path, offering a single price anchor, and scheduling the next step. Uncertainty stalls sales, while clarity fosters trust and momentum. By auditing their proposals to eliminate complexity, professionals can close more projects and ensure clients are eager to say yes.

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Dec 10, 2025 • 11min
Why Selling Features Is Costing Outdoor Living Pros High-Value Projects
Are you competing with low-bidders even with superior work? Discover how outdoor pros can boost sales by selling emotional outcomes instead of technical features. Learn to translate client word-fragments into compelling proposals that resonate. Hear how to reframe a fire pit as a space for family memories and a pavilion as a Thanksgiving gathering spot. Gain insight into asking the right questions to uncover clients' true desires and drive your close rate higher. It's time to stand out in a crowded market!

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Dec 8, 2025 • 14min
How Landscapers Can Stop Wasting Time Without Hurting Sales
Tired of unresponsive leads and endless revisions? Discover how to stop wasting time by pre-qualifying potential clients. Learn the five key pillars that help you identify serious buyers versus casual browsers. Embrace a mindset shift to filter for perfect-fit customers rather than convincing everyone. Gain insights on involving decision-makers in meetings, clarifying project timelines, and discussing budget ranges early. Elevate your standards to focus on high-value clients and reclaim your time in the sales process!

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Dec 3, 2025 • 11min
Why Traditional Pitch-Heavy Sales Won’t Help You Close High-Ticket Outdoor Living Projects
Struggling to close high-ticket outdoor projects? Discover the art of listening more and talking less to build client trust. Learn why clients prefer to prove you're the right choice for them, rather than being sold. Explore the hidden emotional drivers behind their decisions and how silence can reveal their true pain points. Joshua challenges you to speak just 30% of the time and ask bold questions. Embrace this listening-first approach to transform your sales strategy and secure better deals with ease.

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Dec 1, 2025 • 24min
How to Build a Successful Outdoor Living Business Without Sacrificing Your Sanity or Your Soul w/ Chris Cooper
In this engaging discussion, Chris Cooper, founder of Vine and Compass and outdoor living industry coach, opens up about his transformative journey from trauma to purpose. He emphasizes how clarity and structure in business can lead to true freedom, allowing professionals to prioritize life over work. Chris shares insights on overcoming burdens, the importance of vulnerability in healing, and how serving others can redefine one's purpose. This episode is a refreshing reminder that business can—and should—serve your life, not consume it.

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Nov 26, 2025 • 22min
Why Purpose Outlasts Revenue in the Long Run for Outdoor Living Pros w/ Chris Cooper
Chris Cooper, a business coach for the green industry, shares his insights on creating purpose-driven success using his COMPASS framework. He emphasizes the importance of financial clarity to alleviate stress and transform chaotic business practices. The discussion highlights how confronting emotional barriers around budgeting can lead to long-term relief. Chris also explores the role of faith in anchoring purpose and promoting peace in leadership, urging outdoor living professionals to shift from busyness to intentionality in their work.


