

Leading Complexity
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This video podcast brings together Agile, Systems Thinking, Complexity Thinking, and Product Models in a way that’s easy to understand. In each episode, we explore innovative strategies with leading experts in leadership. Join us to learn how to help your organization thrive and lead in today’s fast-changing, complex, and highly competitive world.
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Oct 15, 2024 • 26min
#13 – Interview with Dave Snowden
In this episode of the Leading Complexity podcast, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Dave Snowden, the founder of the Cynefin framework, a decision-making model designed to help leaders navigate complexity. Dave shares insights on how complexity is an inherent part of the world and why traditional management tools are insufficient for addressing it. The conversation explores the importance of focusing on networks and interactions, rather than just individuals, and the need for distributed leadership and rapid feedback loops. Dave also explains the value of starting with a sense of direction, rather than fixed goals, and highlights three key strategies for building resilient organizations. Tomas and Michael offer clarifications and reflections, making this an insightful discussion for anyone looking to lead in today’s uncertain world. Don’t miss this engaging episode and join us for more thought-provoking sessions in the Leading Complexity program!

Oct 8, 2024 • 16min
#12 – Interview with Nand Kishore Chaudhary (NKC)
In this episode of the Leading Complexity video podcast, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Nand Kishore Chaudhary (NKC), a renowned social entrepreneur and the founder of Jaipur Rugs. NKC shares the inspiring journey of how he transformed a small business with two looms and nine weavers into a global brand, empowering 40,000 artisans across India. The hosts highlight NKC's unique business philosophy, built on love, compassion, and equality, and explore how he revolutionized the traditional rug industry by uplifting marginalized communities. They also delve into NKC’s belief in unlearning and breaking free from societal conditioning, as well as the impact of weaving human stories into the designs of Jaipur Rugs. Don’t miss this heartfelt conversation, where NKC shares his vision of the future of business being driven by the heart, and join him in the upcoming master class on October 18th.

Oct 1, 2024 • 24min
#11 – Interview with Henrik Kniberg
In this episode of the Leading Complexity video podcast, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe dive into an insightful conversation with Henrik Kniberg, renowned for his influential books Scrum and XP from the Trenches and Lean from the Trenches. Henrik shares his deep expertise in navigating organizational complexity and highlights key leadership lessons from his extensive experience at companies like Spotify, LEGO, and Mojang. Throughout the interview, Tomas and Michael break down the discussion, offering clarifications and emphasizing critical insights. They explore Henrik’s views on embracing unpredictability, the importance of letting go of control in a complex world, and the valuable lessons behind the widely misunderstood Spotify model. Don’t miss out on this episode to gain a deeper understanding of how to lead through complexity and learn practical strategies for organizational success.

Sep 24, 2024 • 26min
#10 - Interview with Sonja Blignaut
In this episode of the Leading Complexity podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe dive into a conversation with Sonja Blignaut, creator of the Waysfinder framework. Sonja explains how her framework helps leaders navigate complexity by fostering situational awareness and embracing multiple potential pathways forward. Throughout the episode, Tomas and Michael highlight key concepts such as the importance of direction over fixed goals and how to create enabling constraints that guide decision-making. Tune in to explore how leaders can better understand and adapt to an unpredictable world with practical insights from Sonja's expertise.

Sep 17, 2024 • 33min
#9 - Interview with Kent Beck
In this episode of the *Leading Complexity* video podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe dive into an insightful conversation with Kent Beck, a renowned figure in software development and the creator of eXtreme Programming. Kent shares his experiences and thoughts on leadership, complexity, and the four factors model, explaining how interdependencies, variation, states, and irreversibility shape our work environments. If you’re eager to learn how to navigate complexity in organizations and software development, this episode offers a deep dive into cutting-edge strategies and leadership insights from one of the field's great minds. Tune in to discover practical advice and thought-provoking ideas that will help you and your teams thrive in today’s fast-evolving world.

Sep 10, 2024 • 22min
#8 - Interview with Simon Wardley
In this episode of the Leading Complexity video podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Simon Wardley, the creator of Wardley Mapping. Wardley Mapping is a powerful tool for visualizing value chains and enabling strategic conversations about organizational complexity. Throughout the interview, Wardley shares the origins of his mapping method and its value in helping businesses navigate dynamic and unpredictable environments.
Tomas and Michael listen to Wardley’s insights, highlighting key concepts such as Ashby’s Law of Requisite Variety and the importance of situational awareness. They dive deeper into how Wardley Maps can help leaders understand and manage their organizational landscapes, ensuring they make informed, strategic decisions in an ever-evolving world.
Watch now to learn how to apply these concepts to your own organization and lead through complexity.

Sep 3, 2024 • 20min
#7 - Interview with Annika Steiber
In this episode, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe sit down with Annika Steiber, a renowned researcher in innovation management and author of influential books like The Google Model and Leadership for a Digital World.
Annika shares her insights on how management must evolve in response to technological advancements, globalization, and sustainability challenges. She discusses the critical need for companies to innovate continuously, adapt their business models, and empower every member of their organization to act as a sensor, identifying emerging opportunities. Annika also emphasizes the importance of decentralization, trust, and creating an environment where talent can thrive.
Join us for a thought-provoking conversation that will help you lead your organization through uncertainty and turn complexity into strategic advantage.

Aug 27, 2024 • 35min
#6 – Interview with Gary Hamel
In this episode, Tomas and Michael interview Gary Hamel, one of the most influential and iconoclastic business thinkers of our time. Gary shares his revolutionary ideas on modern management, emphasizing the need to move beyond outdated bureaucratic structures. He discusses how empowering teams with business literacy, financial stakes, and a deep understanding of their operating context can unlock innovation and resilience in organizations. Gary also reflects on the historical roots of management and why it's crucial to reinvent management for a human-centric approach in today’s dynamic business environment.

Aug 20, 2024 • 37min
#5 – Interview with Woody Zuill
In this episode, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe, are excited to talk
with Woody Zuill, the creator of mob programming, now known as software
teaming. Woody shares how collaborative teamwork can transform
problem-solving in complex environments. Let’s dive into our
conversation with Woody and discover how to lead your organization more
effectively in a fast-changing world.

Aug 13, 2024 • 32min
#4 - Interview with Bonnitta Roy
Join Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe as they dive into an insightful conversation with Bonitta Roy, followed by their thoughtful reflections on her wisdom.
Bonnitta Roy is an international award-winning author, presenter, and trainer. She is the creator of the OPO – Open Participatory Organization and Founder of APP Associates International (now C-LABS). She is the author of the popular medium publication ‘Our Future at Work’. She is working on new ways to understand complexity, particularly through the lenses of post-formal actors, action protocols, and complex potential states.


