Copywriters Podcast

If your tank is empty and you’re looking for inspiration, you could do worse than to watch a little WWE wrestling. ¬ Our special guest today, Todd Jones, is quite a fan and an expert. He’s written a terrific article called “5 Lessons I Learned About Storytelling From Pro Wrestling.” Yesterday I read it. Because it’s online, it has videos to illustrate his excellent points, and I watched about half an hour of high points in the sport, dating back all the way to 1981. Most of the clips are much more recent, though. Todd is known as “the about page guy” and specializes in working with small and medium businesses with their content and copywriting. He’s a prolific writer with a unique point of view and lots of talents and skills he uses to help his clients. Todd has experience in a wide variety of things, from retail, grocery, vending, tech journalism and ministry. He’s great at building online communities. So we’re going to talk about all that and more today. Todd’s coaching: https://www.copyflight.com/coaching/ Todd’s article on the WWE and storytelling: https://www.copyflight.com/5-lessons-storytelling-professional-wrestling/Download.

Jason Parker, an expert in using AI for compelling copy, shares his success stories in transforming traditional AI writing capabilities. From generating lucrative sales with AI to refining custom bots, Jason highlights the importance of combining proven copywriting techniques with AI to produce engaging and relatable content.

Exploring the curse of knowledge in marketing and how excessive expertise can hinder communication with customers. Learn how to simplify complex information to engage potential customers effectively. Discover the importance of storytelling and AI in overcoming the curse of knowledge and the significance of clear communication in marketing. Find out ways to bridge the gap in understanding with potential buyers and effectively convey the value of your product or service.

First weekend in May, the #1 show on Netflix was an origin story. Not a real origin story, but a total fabrication for comedy purposes. It was a movie called Unfrosted. It’s important for copywriters for a couple of reasons. The first is the power of a product name. The movie was a totally fictional story about how Kellogg's popular toaster pastries became a hit in grocery stores. It's hardly a spoiler to tell you the name they settled on that led to the big bucks: Pop-Tarts. How they got there is a big part of the totally made-up plot. Also, there's a great cameo by actors Jon Hamm and John Slattery, who play two leading characters in the series Mad Men. In the new Netflix movie, they play out-of-touch New York admen who come up with totally wrong product names. Later in the movie, when they hear the name Pop-Tarts, one of ’em grumbles an admission of defeat: "That'll sell." So that’s the first important lesson for copywriters: Gotta get the name right! But there’s a second lesson that’s maybe even more important, since copywriters often don’t have control over the product name anyway. And that lesson is this: People love origin stories. Yet I’ve found a lot of the time, copywriters don’t know how to put an effective one together, and how to use it once they do. We’ll cover that today on the show. My book, The Persuasion Story Code: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFD2KXNQ Download.

Learn how storytelling can captivate and engage audiences effectively in copywriting. Explore the power of short, powerful stories and how they create emotional connections. Discover the impact of storytelling in sales messages and how it can shift mindsets for better copywriting.

Time to talk about a taboo subject that needs to be discussed: The truly awful clients copywriters inevitably get, and how to set things right with them (or make a Quick Draw McGraw exit)! We’ve all had them. That can’t be changed or avoided. But what to DO about them? That can be learned, from an expert who’s been there, done that, and figured it out! Our special guest today is A-List Copywriter Kim Krause Schwalm, author of the great new book Client Badassery Secrets: How Copywriters Can Earn MORE, Run A Thriving Freelance Business, And Cut Out The Client Bullshit I’ve read it and it’s really good. Kim’s just the right person to write this book, too. She’s worked as an executive with big direct-response publishers where she hired copywriters, and also someone who has written copy for some of the best-known publishers and supplement companies in the world. And plenty of other clients, along the way. Today she’s going to tell us about the seven kinds of clients you meet on the way to copywriting “hell,” and how to avoid their tricks and traps and come out ahead. Kim’s book, Client Badassery Secrets: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGV7MZ8P Kim’s website: https://kimschwalm.com/ Download.

After you’ve finished your copy, how do you know that you got everything right and haven’t left anything out? There are several good ways to double-check, but I don’t think there’s one more fun than Jack Turk’s Killer Copy Checklist. It’s an 8-page PDF, written and presented like a comic book. But it’s serious stuff, in an easy-to-take form. Today Jack’s going to tell us about the checklist and make it available to you free… free… free of charge. To understand why this is such a good checklist, you need to know a little bit about Jack. He’s our returning champion, and we’re really happy to have him back today! Jack has decades of experience writing for corporations like Microsoft and Kodak, as well as a number of small businesses including dentists, attorneys, even magicians. As the voice of Dan Kennedy at GKIC and many other high-profile thought leaders, his sales copy has generated millions of dollars in sales and he’s now known as the world’s FASTEST Copywriter. Jack was also host of the highly successful Copywriting Summit, and was kind enough to invite me on to talk about headlines and hooks. Today he’s going to walk us through his Killer Copy Checklist. It’s as good as anything I’ve ever seen, and a whole lot more fun! Get yourself a free copy of Jack’s Killer Copy Checklist here: www.writekillercopyfast.com/checklist Download.

If you’re a copywriter and you’re itching to build a business, what should you do? You probably have many options. But if you’d like to know whether building your own agency is the right way to go, we have some valuable information for you. Today’s guest, Andy Strote, has built two agencies. The first one, Fireworks Creative, grew from 2 to 30 people in five years. Andy and his partner sold the agency to a large company called Cognicase. Six months later, he started another agency with one partner and one employee. That agency is called Context Creative. After 15 years, the agency had grown to have a staff of 28, and Andy sold his shares to his partners and returned to freelancing. But he wrote a book about what he learned in 20 years of starting, managing, growing, and selling two agencies. The book is called How to Start a Successful Creative Agency, and of all the people I know, he’s the one to write that book! Andy’s going to share some of those lessons and secrets today. Andy’s book: How to Start A Successful Creative Agency https://www.amazon.com/Start-Successful-Creative-Agency-Photographers-ebook/dp/B092CM9WTM Download.

Once you can start using stories effectively in your copy, you have for all practical purposes developed a marketing superpower. But don’t stop there. Because the difference between a story and a STRONG story can be the difference between high-test gasoline and rocket fuel. One will get you there faster… but one will get you there a lot faster, and go a lot further! Strong stories are the rocket fuel in your sales copy. And we’re going to talk about 5 ways to make any story stronger today. Develop your superpower with The Persuasion Story Code: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFD2KXNQDownload.

If you wanted to build your own home from scratch, it would be a good idea to talk to someone who’s done that, right? Same thing with a sales funnel that generates a level of income you can barely imagine. How do you build one? My advice is: Listen to our returning champion, Aaron Gentzler. Because he’s been there and done that. Multiple times. For example, Aaron led a team in growing a newsletter business by a factor of 12, from $4 million to nearly $50 million a year. Another example: Aaron wrote a promo in 2008 resulting in tens of millions of sales. His promo was so good that others in the company used his copy as a template, resulting in tens of millions of more sales. More than 10 years ago, when Bitcoin was trading at about $500, Aaron published research urging investors to learn more about crypto and speculate prudently. Anyone who took his advice in 2013 would have increased their investment by more than 100 times. As we’re recording today at the beginning of April, Bitcoin closed yesterday at $65,270. He’s done a lot more since then and is doing great things today. I mentioned those three examples because Aaron has a bold and steady knack for taking promotional ideas and turning them into money—lots of money. And if you’re looking for some clues as to how to do the same with a promotion you’re thinking about or working on, you’re in luck. This is Aaron’s third time on the show, and he’s agreed to come back today and share some of his best secrets for massive business growth. FREE training on building a funnel that won’t quit, from Aaron and his partner Shawn Twing. Starting on Tuesday, April 23, so sign up now: https://fullfunnelformula.co/?affiliate=dgarf Download.