
Product Bakery – The Product Management, UX & Design Podcast
In this Show, Design Manager Alex Dapunt, and Product Coach Christian Strunk are bringing people from all product functions together to talk about the key to build successful products customers love. This involves everything from Product Management to Design as well as Development and Marketing, breaking down traditional silos around these functions and fostering an open dialogue between them. Tune in for weekly interviews, discussions, and best practices that help you understand the whole product process.
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Nov 30, 2020 • 24min
#16 Creating a product strategy in times of uncertainty
Both Christian and Alex work on many strategic topics as consultants in their day to day business. What they've observed is that many companies need to rethink their current strategies and adapt to the current situation/crisis.
In this episode, Christian talks about how to get started with a product strategy definition based on Alex's business idea about selling Italian premium ties. He focuses on the basic skeleton of information & agenda points a product strategy should consist of as well as how to specify them.
Table of content:
0:30 - Product Vision vs. company vision
4:35 - Product vision statements (GoPro)
8:40 - Defining one “catchy” sentence
9:15 - Getting buy-in from Founders & Senior Management
12:00 - Revisiting the vision statement regularly
17:20 - Vision definition workshop example (how to define a vision)
23:15 - Iterating on the product vision statement
27:05 - Who should drive the creation of the product vision
Christian's free product strategy slide deck template:
Slide deck: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1mLNt7f6CPPa3FzNxnHZAS7pxgp-QDOLL2UtsBe7fcKI/edit?usp=sharing
Related article: https://www.christianstrunk.com/blog/product-strategy
Connect with Christian:
Website: www.christianstrunk.com
Linkedin: @christianstrunk
Twitter: @strunkchristian
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Nov 26, 2020 • 55min
#15 The role of UX in the most played computer game League of Legends - with Alex Wheeler @Riot Games
Humans love to play games! So does Alex Wheeler, Senior UX Designer at Riot Game. Alex spent many years developing the UX for champions of the most played online game League of Legends.
Alex shares great insights about the whole process of developing e.g. a new champion or changes on the client-side for more than 120 Million active users. He touched all the parts from the discovery and wireframing to the development and rollout.
Next to that, he shared why friction in UX and games is so important.
Table of content:
0:30 - Intro Alex Wheeler
4:35 - The addicting nature of computer games
6:45 - Intentional friction the UX
9:45 - Developing champions in League of Legends as UX Designer
15:00 - Persona-based product development
18:00 - Product discovery in gaming & LoL
20:50 - Role & collaboration with Product Managers & Owners
25:15 - When employees are users of your product
30:00 - Using data to design experiences
36:15 - Rolling out updates & new features
39:30 - Designing for 26 countries with different languages & cultures
43:50 - It’s all about documentation
46:10 - Alex 3 key values of designing user experiences
49:00 - Debrief Alex & Christian
Want to learn more about Alex?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwhlr/
https://medium.com/riot-games-ux-design/ux-design-in-the-games-industry-50b0572631c3
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Nov 19, 2020 • 56min
#14 Defining the right pricing for SaaS products - with Markus Hafellner @Bitmovin
SaaS products are Markus Hafellner passion. Next to his experience as a Product Manager, he worked many years in the tech industry as a developer & CTO. In his current challenge at Bitmovin, he focuses a lot on defining and developing a good pricing strategy.
Markus shares how the company introduced a big pricing change and the thoughts, planning, and approach behind it as well as great tips how to align with stakeholders and getting the buy-in from the C-Level/Top Management.
Table of content:
0:30 - Intro Markus Haffelner & Bitmovin
4:50 - The challenges of defining prices in B2B
8:55 - Measuring & analyzing data + customer funnels
16:10 - A product-led approach as the foundation for a pricing change
19:05 - Interpreting data & defining
25:20 - Influencing Senior Management & Founders (how to negotiate)
27:35 - Rolling out & communicating price changes
33:35 - Driving pricing topics as a Product Manager and stakeholders
37:00 - Impact of the pricing change at Bitmovin
40:20 - Markus tips to evaluate pricing in a structured way
43:20 - Comparing pricing with competition/market
49:43 - Debrief Christian & Alex
Connect with Markus:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mhafellner/
https://stratelight.substack.com/
Link from John Cutler:
Beat the Feature Factory: Run Pre-cap Design Studios
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Nov 16, 2020 • 25min
#13 Designing experiences not screens
After a week-long road trip in Portugal Alex is looking back at all the small invisible experiences he encountered while sitting in the car. It’s things like anticipating and designing for the user's intentions that make an experience really great.
Table of content:
0:30 - Alex road trip in Portugal
2:30 - Air conditioning experience with Volkswagen
4:45 - User experience in cars
6:35 - Understanding & learning from user intentions
10:55 - Jobs to be done
15:55 - UX on purpose or luck?
17:55 - Autonomous driving
22:25 - Ethnographical studies to better understand users
Connect with Alex:
Website: www.alexdapunt.com
Linkedin: @alexdapunt
Twitter: @alexdapunt
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Nov 12, 2020 • 52min
#12 Building the first product teams in early-stage startups - with Sebastian Sabouné @Founders Factory
Sebastian's role as head of product at the Founders Factory is quite different from most of the jobs. He and the product coaching team help founders and teams build the right product in the right way using their expertise and product coaching framework.
His and the team's thesis is that by both executing on the product as well as coaching founders on what good best practices look like, Founders Factory won't only build great products but also great teams and businesses.
In this episode, he shares great stories and best practices on what to consider as a fresh startup and how to hire the right people.
Table of content:
0:30 - Intro Sebastian Abdy Sabouné & The Founder’s Factory
5:35 - Coaching founders & product people
7:10 - Product development processes in startups
14:25 - 0 to 1, hiring the right people
18:30 - Which roles to hire first in an early-stage startup
21:00 - Recognizing red flags during the hiring process
24:20 - Setting up early product management processes
29:25 - Data-based decision making with no/few clients
32:50 - Experimenting & defining hypothesis
35:00 - First roles & skills needed when you kick-off a project
37:00 - Tips from Sebastian for aspiring CEOs and Product Managers
44:05 - Debrief Alex & Christian
Sebastian's book recommendations:
Escaping the build trap
Thinking fast and slow
Never split the difference
Sebastian's articles:
Product thinking
Product coaching framework
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Nov 5, 2020 • 54min
#11 Establishing a product & engineering mindset in a hypergrowth startup - with Urbi @Trade Republic
Urbi realized pretty "fast" that studying business administration isn't the right thing for him. After he moved to computer science he started his career as a QA Engineer and worked his way up. Currently, he works as an Engineering Manager at Trade Republic.
Urbi's mission is to establish a Product and Engineering mindset in the fast-growing Berlin fintech. He shares insights on onboarding processes, the collaboration between product & engineering as well as establishing a culture of open communication.
Table of content
0:30 - Intro Andreas Urban aka Urbi
6:15 - Urbi’s mission at Trade Republic
8:00 - What Engineering needs from Product Managers
10:00 - Transitioning to a scaling Product & Engineering organization
15:25 - Writing documentation to speed up onboarding of new Engineers
17:40 - Early Engineering involvement for better product planning
27:35 - Helping teams to stay focused
30:15 - Company culture vs. processes
33:45 - Collaborating with Product Leads as Engineering Manager
39:22 - Engineering a Product & Engineering organization
44:45 - What Urbi motivated to pick up the hyper-growth challenge
48:40 - Debrief Alex & Christian
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Oct 29, 2020 • 54min
#10 Building relationships & keeping stakeholders involved - with Emilie Lindström @Outfittery
People were always a passion for Emilie Lindström. With a background in HR & recruiting, she moved into Product Management 3,5 years ago and is now building internal tools and processes for Outfittery.
As Product Manager, Emilie spends a big part of her day working with Stakeholders to get them involved and manage their expectations along the journey. In this episode, she shares insightful stories as well as tips for everyone working with challenging stakeholders.
Table of content
0:30 - Intro Emilie Lindström
5:55 - What product newbies need to know
9:30 - Getting started with stakeholder management
13:15 - Identifying your stakeholders
18:55 - Treating stakeholders as domain experts & customers
20:25 - Dealing with “tricky” stakeholders
28:05 - Managing people vs. managing stakeholders
33:00 - How to work with customers
36:55 - Negotiating with stakeholders
41:00 - Christian’s stakeholder horror story
46:45 - Emilie’s key takeaways about stakeholder management
49:10 - Debrief Alex & Christian
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Oct 22, 2020 • 59min
#9 User research can be fast & easy - with Nikki Anderson @Zalando
With a master's degree in psychology and many years of experience as a User Researcher, Nikki Anderson moved in 2018 from New York to Berlin. She works currently as User Research Lead at Zalando as well as her own startup the user research academy.
Nikki shares the basics of qualitative user research to be able to get started with it in a fast and effective fashion. Next to that, she talks about when a company should start doing user research and at which point it's worth thinking of hiring a researcher.
Table of content
0:30 - Intro Nikki Anderson
2:46 - Researching the perfect croissant
6:55 - The basics of qualitative research
14:10 - Choosing the right segments to research
15:55 - Kicking off a research project
23:00 - The TEDW framework for user interviews
29:00 - Validating qualitative interview data
35:25 - Hypothesis-driven research (how might we statements)
37:35 - Evaluative research vs. generative research
41:55 - Parallelizing market research & user research
44:30 - When to start doing and hiring for research as a company
51:25 - Nikki’s key takeaways about getting started with research
54:00 - Debrief Christian & Alex
Connect with Nikki:
Website: https://www.userresearchacademy.com/
Linkedin: @Nikkianderson-ux
Twitter: @productherapist
Link to Nikki's research template:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19_2S5c-LWhwEk86oMxemgwsYHcm6CG_rwut5TLz0byY/edit
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Oct 19, 2020 • 22min
#8 Death through research
Alex and Christian were brainstorming during brunch about "what makes the perfect croissant so delicious." They came to the conclusion, that they could do research to find the answer. But how much research would they need to do, and would they really find the answer? In this episode, Alex talks about defining good questions and hypotheses to be able to do good research. Besides that, he touches on why many companies are hesitant to do research and how to apply it as a way to not lose speed.
Table of content
0:30 - Can “taste” be researched?
4:00 - Copying ideas doesn’t replace research
5:25 - Acceptance of research on C-Level
10:00 - Getting answers after deploying to production
13:10 - Dual track research
21:05 - Death through research summary
Connect with Alex:
Website: www.alexdapunt.com
Linkedin: @alexdapunt
Twitter: @alexdapunt
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Oct 15, 2020 • 48min
#7 Designing crypto products for investors & communities - with Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy is a crypto enthusiast for more than 8 years as an investor and a Product Designer. He shares insights into how to build crypto products that are "more usable" for crypto investment app consumers.
These days he's focused on working for crypto communities and talks about how the community decides and builds new features & products.
Table of content
0:30 - Intro Liam Murphy
3:10 - Basics around crypto & decentralized finance (DeFi)
8:00 - Designing crypto products
13:40 - Changing user behaviors about investing
15:24 - Kicking off crypto projects
19:25 - Emerging crypto trends
22:50 - Designing for the crypto community
25:30 - The value of cryptocurrencies vs. fiat currencies
29:25 - Best practices to start developing a crypto project
32:10 - Community-driven development
36:35 - Will crypto become mainstream?
38:50 - Liams biggest challenge as a Designer in the crypto space
42:30 - How to get started in the crypto space
44:15 - Debrief Alex & Christian
Connect with Liam:
Twitter: @lemurf
Linkedin: @liammurphydesign
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