
Product Bakery – The Product Management, UX & Design Podcast
In this Show, Design Manager Alex Dapunt, and Product Coach Christian Strunk are bringing people from all product functions together to talk about the key to build successful products customers love. This involves everything from Product Management to Design as well as Development and Marketing, breaking down traditional silos around these functions and fostering an open dialogue between them. Tune in for weekly interviews, discussions, and best practices that help you understand the whole product process.
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Oct 8, 2020 • 1h 2min
#6 User Experience in B2B: Building a product in the retail industry for today’s consumers - with Henning Witzel @NewStore
Being a computer scientist was too boring for Henning. Once he saw Photoshop the first time he fell in love not only with the tool. He quickly started expressing his ideas on the screen and started working as a freelancer until one of his clients got acquired by the entrepreneur Stephan Schambach.
The omnichannel retail platform NewStore was born and he started as a Product Designer. These days Henning is leading the Design Team and everything related to user research, experience, and product planning. He shares deep and detailed insights about projects with NewStore's clients and how they build a B2B retail product that has touchpoints to end customers.
Table of content:
0:30 - Intro Henning
3:55 - Definition of Omni-Channel & NewStore
9:20 - Product development in B2B (real-world project examples)
14:45 - Developing modern point of sale & checkout features
18:25 - Translating customer feedback into design & user experience
20:55 - Challenges with quantitative feedback in B2B (e.g. Google Analytics)
22:40 - Organizational customer feedback funnel
24:55 - Design as a service
30:55 - Early design involvement for the win
38:20 - Design collaboration with Product Managers
43:55 - When & how to say “no” to customer requests
52:55 - Henning’s key takeaways about design thinking in B2B enterprise
55:31 - Debrief Christian & Alex
Connect with Henning:
Linkedin: @henning-witzel
Twitter: @Henning_Witzel
Website: https://www.henning-witzel.de/
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Oct 5, 2020 • 28min
#5 The product vision definition guide
What's the difference between a product vision and a company vision? Christian talks about the definition of a product vision and the key information it should and shouldn't contain.
He describes the definition process based on examples and best practices. Next to the "theoretical" part, he talks about how to create a product vision based on two workshop methodologies that you can easily apply for your own vision.
Table of content
0:30 - Product vision basics
7:05 - The one catchy product vision sentence
7:50 - Benefits of having a product vision
11:30 - Iterating on the product vision
17:00 - Defining a product vision (workshop formats)
24:55 - Christian’s summary about creating a product vision
Connect with Christian:
Website: www.christianstrunk.com
Linkedin: @christianstrunk
Twitter: @strunkchristian
Read more here:
https://www.christianstrunk.com/blog/product-vision
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Oct 1, 2020 • 53min
#4 Bootstrapping a startup with user story mapping - Interview with Avion.io
James & Tim are both founders of Avion.io, a user story mapping tool that helps Product Teams to better collaborate and plan features, products, and services.
When Tim came back from his Product Owner course 5 years ago, learning about user story mapping, he quickly realized together with James that this methodology makes planning much easier and efficient. Unfortunately, they were missing a tool to digitalize and remotely collaborate on a user story map. They sat together after work and started designing and developing Avion.io which they've launched in 2019.
In this episode, they talk about the advantages of user story mapping as well as advanced techniques on release planning, MVP definitions, and some more cool story mapping life hacks.
Table of content
0:30 - How Tim & James got into user story mapping
5:25 - User story mapping vs. customer journey mapping
8:30 - Story mapping during the product development cycle
13:30 - Product discovery with story mapping
19:00 - Defining MVPs and preparing the backlog
25:40 - Story mapping as a product documentation tool
26:15 - Advanced release planning with story mapping
32:15 - Downside of story mapping
35:25 - Bootstrapping Avion with story mapping
43:40 - Key takeaways from Tim & James
46:30 - Debrief Alex & Christian
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Sep 24, 2020 • 34min
#3 Managing hyper growth with the help of a design system
This time, Christian interviews Alex Dapunt about his career path and work experience. He initially wanted to become an architect but then landed in the Digital Design Space.
Alex started his career in an Italian agency and then moved to Munich and finally to Berlin where he started working for SumUp where he became the Head of Design. Over 4 years Alex scaled up the Design team from 4 to 40 people before he left the hyper-growth startup.
Besides a lot of hiring and building up a Brand & Product Design Team, he shares the importance of introducing a design system to scale in hypergrowth.
If you're interested in his work check out the design system Circuit UI on Github.
Episode Minutes:
0:28 - Introduction of Alex Dapunt
6:00 - Key design challenges in companies
8:00 - Cross-functional design collaboration
12:20 - Leading a Design Team to build a customer-focused design system
15:50 - Decision-making process to build a design system
18:55 - Potential downsides of a design system
21:50 - Design system & branding
27:00 - Establishing a design system in cross-functional teams & multi-products
30:00 - Alex’s key takeaways & summary
Connect with Alex:
Website: www.alexdapunt.com
Linkedin: @alexdapunt
Twitter: @alexdapunt
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Sep 17, 2020 • 39min
#2 How to get started with user story mapping
In this episode, Alex interviews co-host Christian Strunk to get some background on how he transitioned into Product Management.
Christian started working as a baker before he studied business administration. While studying he founded his first start-up "Pocketrobe" which opened the doors into the world of Product Management...
Besides his career path, Christian talks about his most favorite product planning methodology "user story mapping" and how to get started with it.
If you're interested, listen in! For more information about story mapping & Product Management check out his blog.
Episode minutes:
0:28 - Introduction Christian Strunk
8:00 - Product challenges in companies
8:45 - Get started with product planning
11:35 - Product planning with user story mapping
15:00 - Estabishing story mapping in the product development process
18:40 - When to not do user story mapping
21:25 - From planning to delivery (backlog preparation)
25:15 - Start planning from the end/back
30:30 - User story mapping or customer journey mapping?
35:05 - Christian’s key takeaways & summary
Connect with Christian:
Website: www.christianstrunk.com
Linkedin: @christianstrunk
Twitter: @strunkchristian
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Sep 10, 2020 • 6min
#1 Welcome to the Product Bakery
Meet your hosts Christian Strunk and Alex Dapunt as they introduce you to their new Podcast Format 'The Product Bakery Podcast'.
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