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Jul 24, 2023 • 30min
14: The how to save X (aka Twitter) episode - James, Daniel and guest co-host James Avery (CEO of Kevel) on how to drive more revenue, rebuild trust, use payments as a lever, and combat Meta.
James and Daniel welcome back James Avery, CEO of Kevel, for a special episode where they discuss all things Twitter (renamed X after recording) in response to the following Tweet from Elon Musk:
“We’re still negative cash flow, due to ~50% drop in advertising revenue plus heavy debt load. Need to reach positive cash flow before we have the luxury of anything else.”
The guys discuss actions that Twitter can take to improve the current situation including:
Using payments as a lever to attract and retain advertisers
Rebuilding trust with advertisers and partners
Eliminating restrictions on accessing the API
Leaning into integrations with Shopify
How to combat Meta's aggressive push with Threads

Jul 19, 2023 • 31min
EP13: Eric Franchi, GP of AperiamVentures, on selling his business for $180M to a public company, Why there’s a massive opportunity investing in ad/martechs, and his take on Musk vs. Zuckerberg
This week James and Daniel talk to Eric Franchi
Eric Franchi is the General Partner at AperiamVentures, an early-stage venture capital firm focused on transformative ad tech and mar tech companies. AperiamVentures is an investor in Market as well as companies including tvScientific, Iris.tv, ID5, Rembrand, and Kevel (listen to James’ interview with Kevel’s CEO).
Prior to founding AperiamVentures, Eric founded Undertone, which was a leading digital ad network and tech company. Eric built that business to over $100M in revenue before being acquired by publicly traded Perion Network.
Eric is also co-host of the Marketecture podcast, which covers the latest developments in ad tech and marketing.
You can find Eric @ericfranchi and on LinkedIn
Website: https://www.aperiam.vc/
Link to Marc Andreesen's take on the Elon Musk vs. Mark Zuckerberg fight: https://www.thefp.com/p/marc-andreessen-musk-zuckerberg-cage-fight

Jul 11, 2023 • 27min
EP12 (GUEST) – This week James Avery, the founder and CEO of Kevel, talks about writing books, building APIs to power a new generation of walled gardens
EP12: James Avery, the founder and CEO of Kevel, talks about writing books, building APIs to power a new generation of walled gardens, and why over time retail media is going to get a lot easier to buy.James Avery is the Founder and CEO of Kevel, which offers a set of APIs for retailers, publishers and apps to build and launch their own custom ad platforms. As CEO, he has helped launch over 100 ad platforms using the Kevel APIs, helping businesses of all sizes drive new revenue and take back the Internet from ad tech giants like Google, Amazon, and Facebook.
You can find James on Twitter and Threads @averyj and Linkedin

Jul 6, 2023 • 35min
EP11 (GUEST) – Jenna Menking & Erin Kemp, the founders of Crosswalk, explain why Ariana Grande is both a musical and marketing genius, the problems with traditional market research, and how...
This week's guests: Jenna Menking & Erin KempThe founders of Crosswalk, explain why Ariana Grande is both a musical and marketing genius, the problems with traditional market research, and how selling their first business to IPG led to their next startup idea.
You can find Jenna Menking & Erin Kemp Website: https://www.crosswalknyc.com/

Jun 30, 2023 • 36min
EP10 (GUEST) – Jon Morgenstern, EVP Head of Investment at VaynerMedia, Why agencies have more opportunity than ever, Netflix’s disappointing ads decision, How creators will win in the next 5 years
This week's guest: Jon Morgenstern
Jon Morgenstern is the EVP, Head of Investment at VaynerMedia, the global creative and media agency founded by Gary Vaynerchuk. In his role, Jon oversees the media buying practice globally and works with some of the world’s biggest brands. Jon joined VaynerMedia in 2015 after four years at SocialCode, one of Facebook’s earliest Marketing Partners. Jon is also a strategic advisor for Vayner3 and VeeFriends and is a marketing and digital media thought leader.
You can find Jon on Twitter @_jonnymo_ and LinkedIn

Jun 21, 2023 • 24min
EP9 (GUEST) – Kenan Saleh, GM of Lyft Media, on growing his startup from just 1 customer, why the future of commerce media is bright, and building a new revenue stream within a complex organization
This week's guest: Kenan Saleh
Kenan Saleh is the General Manager at Lyft Media where he leads the team focused on building Lyft’s transportation advertising products. Kenan joined Lyft in 2019 through the acquisition of Halo, a transportation ad network, which he co-founded while still in college. Since joining the company he’s grown the advertising business from $0 to more than $10M in revenue. In addition to Lyft, Kenan was named to the Forbes 30 under 30 and is an active investor and advisor.
You can find Kenan on Twitter @kenanhsaleh and LinkedIn

Jun 15, 2023 • 21min
EP8 – Dictators, Democracies, and Anarchists, oh my! The ins and outs of Mark Zuckerberg’s AI future, EU regulation, and the Reddit mob.
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Links to articles and topics discussed:
Zuckerberg talks about his AI vision with Lex Friedman: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg55j7/zuckerbergs-vision-for-ai-a-bot-that-makes-ads-and-helps-you-say-happy-birthday-to-your-friends
Mob rule; Reddit goes dark: https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/14/hundreds-of-subreddits-plan-to-go-dark-indefinitely-after-reddit-ceos-internal-memo/
EU regulates AI: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/technology/europe-ai-regulation.html
EU calls for a Google ads breakup: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-14/google-hit-with-eu-charge-sheet-over-ad-tech-dominance#xj4y7vzkg
Montana holds strong on their TikTok ban: https://www.foxnews.com/media/montana-attorney-general-stands-tiktok-ban-despite-lawsuits-spying-tool-chinese-communist-party

Jun 9, 2023 • 22min
EP7 – Apple reshapes the ads industry again, The Trade Desk makes a walled garden-esque announcement, shifting power dynamics between platforms and their communities
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Links to articles and topics discussed:
Apple breaks advertising with more privacy announcements from WWDC
Link tracking protection: https://9to5mac.com/2023/06/08/ios-17-link-tracking-protection/
Privacy manifest: https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=av1nevon
Twitch announces then backtracks plans for a revenue change for its creators: https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/07/twitch-backtracks-on-changes-to-branded-content-rules-after-streamer-backlash/
The Trade Desk becoming the new walled garden? https://www.adexchanger.com/online-advertising/the-trade-desks-kokai-upgrade-takes-inspiration-from-the-walled-gardens-it-reviles/
Reddit upsets its community of developers and puts some out of business: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/reddit-insists-on-being-fairly-paid-amid-api-price-protest-plans-layoffs

Jun 2, 2023 • 45min
EP6 (GUEST) – Founder of AI Whiteboard and Retina AI, Emad Hasan, shares what CEOs need to know about AI, predicts what search ads may look like in the future, and the top 3 trends in AI
This week's guest: Emad Hasan
Emad Hasan is one of the most respected thinkers when it comes to AI and marketing. He is the founder of the AI Whiteboard newsletter and the Co-founder of Retina AI. Retina AI was one of the first companies to use Machine Learning to do predictive customer lifetime value (CLV), working with customers including Nestle, Capital One, Madison Reed, Backcountry.com, Brickell, and many others. Prior to founding Retina and AI Whiteboard, Emad was the Head of Business Marketing Operations & Analytics at Facebook and has also held roles at PayPal, Booz Allen Hamilton, and Boeing.
You can find Emad on Twitter @emadtastic and LinkedIn
Check out Emad’s newsletter AI Whiteboard: https://www.ehasan.com/
News Roundup:
Twitter partners with adtech firm Inmobi to test outsources monetization: https://digiday.com/marketing/with-advertising-in-flux-twitter-is-outsourcing-ad-monetization-to-ad-tech/
GoPuff launches its first non-endemic ads: https://www.modernretail.co/marketing/gopuff-adds-non-endemic-advertising-capabilities/
The Trade Desk takes aim at walled gardens with new campaign: https://www.marketing-interactive.com/tech-firm-the-trade-desk-launches-ad-campaign-to-rally-advertisers-to-improve-the-internet
Omnicom’s John Wren speaks openly about AI and its impact: https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/385746/omnicoms-wren-likens-ai-to-war-discloses-betas.html
Interview with Emad (13:20):
Journey from aerospace to AI Whiteboard? (14:20)
How are business leaders approaching AI for their businesses? (18:48)
Media buying and creative may be getting automated away (21:50)
Is transparency with AI models important or is performance what matters? (25:00)
Prediction for a new search ad model (28:32)
Emad’s experience using AI to take a project from 4-weeks to 90 minutes (30:44)
The role of marketing co-pilots (32:14)
Emad’s top 3 AI trends that get him excited? (37:02)
What AI resources and tools is Emad using? (42:28)

May 26, 2023 • 31min
EP5 (GUEST) – Twitter’s former Global Head of Partnerships, Greg Lieber, breaks down the evolving ad tech partner ecosystem and talks about areas of opportunity
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This week's guest: Greg Lieber
Greg is an experienced Business Development, Partnerships, and Product leader with over 15 years of experience in ad tech. Greg, along with James Borow, co-founded SHIFT, one of the earliest and largest ads API partners to Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, and LinkedIn. Following SHIFT’s acquisition in 2015, Greg joined VaynerMedia where he lead partnerships, was an early employee at VidMob leading partnerships, and most recently was the Global Head of Partnerships at Twitter.
You can find Greg on Twitter @greglieber and LinkedIn
News Roundup:
Google Marketing Live 2023: https://www.googlemarketinglive.com/
https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/13579260
Meta’s Shop mandate poses a challenge for brands: https://www.adweek.com/programmatic/metas-in-app-purchase-push-poses-operational-issues-for-marketers/
AI podcast ads that sound like real people: https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/23/spotify-may-use-ai-to-make-host-read-podcast-ads-that-sound-like-real-people/
Interview with Greg:
What’s in store for AI and creative? (11:36)
How does the value of agencies change as a result of AI + creative? (14:40)
New era of partners in the new environment (16:47)
POV from Greg and Daniel leading platform partnerships (20:32)
Companies doing innovative work that brands should know (24:36)
Predicting ad tech in 5 years (26:48)
What macro areas is Greg excited about? (28:34)