

Lunch Hour Legal Marketing
Legal Talk Network
Are you hungry for more clients? Tired of wasting time (and money) on marketing that doesn’t work? This podcast serves up real-world tips and proven digital marketing strategies that actually drive results for law firms.Hosted by Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam—two legal marketing pros who’ve been in the trenches. You’ll get practical advice on client acquisition, website teardowns, and what’s actually working for lawyers today—all with a touch of mirth.Congratulations, you found it—THE podcast for lawyers who want to grow their practice! So, if you’re ready to take your business to the next level, pull up a seat and dig in with Lunch Hour Legal Marketing.
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Apr 16, 2024 • 40min
My CRM is Bigger Than Yours || Quarter 1, Done
Discover the power of leveraging your CRM system for business growth. Learn about the checkups needed for your marketing campaign after Q1. Get insights on what to expect from Google in the next 12 months. Explore the importance of CRM in law firms and stay ahead with strategic quarterly reviews and data-driven decision making.

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Mar 27, 2024 • 46min
The Lawyer’s Guide to Conversions || Listener LSA Queries
Join Gyi and Conrad in a heated debate about conversions in legal marketing. Listen to their insights on LSAs and how small firms can compete. Get the latest on the TikTok ban and Google's integration of social media posts. Plus, explore the future of LSAs, optimizing Google ads, and maximizing conversions for law firms.

Mar 13, 2024 • 40min
Bull$#!% You Hear at Legal Conferences || What Are You Reading?
This time, the guys unpack Google’s latest headlines, caution lawyers against some highly questionable speakers at legal conferences, and share the latest books to add to your reading list.____________________________Today’s big thing—The News:
Google’s latest core updates are really trying to crack down on spam and garbage content. Will it work? Gyi and Conrad talk through what it all means for you. Check out: Google’s Search Status Dashboard for Ranking and Google Is Finally Trying to Kill AI Clickbait.
Disgusting, but predictable––Google’s February LSA update was super gross: Google tests Branded Local Service Ads with opt-out option.
Gyi explains how Google is trying to reduce spam in some areas through quality rater guidelines, but they don’t seem to care about it when it comes to ads: Search Quality Rater Guidelines: An Overview.
Conrad rants against Google’s Pay Per Click (PPC) tactics, so to wrap your head around PPC marketing in general, try LHLM 101: Advertisement Buying Alphabet Soup and Search Engine Land’s What is PPC – Pay-Per-Click marketing?
Later, there are a fair amount of conference sessions these days in which the speakers are paying big money to pitch their message/product to attendees. What do we think of this practice? Gyi and Conrad both have their own take, but the bottom line is: there’s a lousy content issue at conferences, and the guys share IRL examples of session claptrap you should avoid. Finally, what have the guys been reading lately? For Conrad, Shoe Dog by Phil Knight, tells the story of the messy process of building a successful business. And Gyi has been reading all of Tiago Forte’s books, including Building a Second Brain and The PARA Method for organizing your digital life. Mentioned in this Episode:LHLM Office Hours are coming March 15th! Register or View HereThe Game Changing Attorney Podcast: The Brutally Honest Guide to Public SpeakingLeave Us an Apple Review Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on YouTube Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok

Mar 6, 2024 • 13min
Extra, Extra! Break Free from the Billable Hour
Subscription legal services are the future, folks, so let’s ride the new wave! The billable hour has become increasingly despised, but how do you make the switch to a subscription-based, recurring revenue law firm? In a live conversation at ABA TECHSHOW, Gyi chatted with Kim Bennett and Blaine Korte about how to leave the billable hour behind and create processes and automations that keep your ideal client’s journey in mind and make your law firm more profitable. Kim Bennett is CEO and co-founder at Fidu Legal.Blaine Korte is CTO and co-founder at Fidu Legal.

Feb 28, 2024 • 31min
What’s Your Best Cost Per Acquisition? || Drafting Your Marketing Dream Team: Round 4
Is there some sort of universal average you should be hoping for in your cost per acquisition, particularly on social media? Gyi and Conrad have the answer. And, later, your marketing dream team needs an off-hours operator!______________________________What is the best cost per acquisition you can hope to attain in your social media marketing efforts? Gyi and Conrad unpack this listener question and dig into how it actually ought to be considered in an entirely different way. Is a cost per acquisition of under $100 the magical threshold everyone thinks it is? Your law firm’s goals might beg to differ. Later on, the draft for your marketing dream team is back! The guys talk about the essential role of the off-hours operator. Whether human-powered or fully automated, your firm needs to be able to be communicative with consumers at all times, day and night.The News:
Google and Reddit are getting together: Google strikes $60 million deal with Reddit, allowing search giant to train AI models on human posts - CBS News
Aaand, more Google, as usual—they’re working with machine learning to keep trying to actually be helpful: How machine learning keeps contributed content helpful
Gyi was on Trial Lawyer Nation, so you better go check that out.
Mentioned in this Episode:Reddit EpisodeCurtis Boyd - The Transparency CompanyLeave Us an Apple Review Lunch Hour Legal Marketing now on YouTube Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok

Feb 14, 2024 • 35min
Law Firm Marketing Mastery in 30 Minutes—GUARANTEED! || r/HiddenGems
Beware of flashy promises from marketing agencies and the warning signs to look for when considering a relationship. Google's Hidden Gems update may not be as helpful as it seems, with users manipulating the system. The podcast also covers the impact of Local Service Ad bombings, AI coming to Google Maps, and the decrease in maps showing up in search engine results.

Jan 31, 2024 • 41min
Diverse Marketing || 30 Days In
100 episodes! Thanks for listening, LHLMers. This time, we’re focusing on the business and community benefits of expanding into new language markets for your law firm. Plus, what should be accomplished in the first 30 days of a new marketing year?_____________________________________________What should diversity look like in your legal marketing? The ever-growing Spanish-speaking market has made attorneys realize there are many underserved populations in need of greater access to legal services. Whether it be Spanish or another language, what is the best way to reach out to new client populations in your area? Gyi and Conrad share what they’ve learned thus far about inclusive marketing strategies that serve communities more broadly and effectively. Later on, what progress should lawyers and marketers expect to see after the first thirty days of their engagement/campaign/strategy/whatever? The guys talk through potential benchmarks in a variety of circumstances and the data-gathering frenzy that should eventually become measurable, meaningful metrics for your firm. The News:
LSA Reporting – you can now see more about your local service ads through Google’s interface, but it still kinda sucks.
Google Business Profile Websites will be turned off on March 1st. Are they quietly sneaking off into the night?
Google is laying off hundreds from their advertising teams. What gives?
The Stafford Jersey Swap was quite a thing.
Mentioned in this Episode:Hreflang: The Easy Guide for BeginnersUS Hispanic Population StatsLHLM Episode: The Anatomy of an Annual Plan || Top KPIs for Law Firm Growth Leave Us an Apple Review Lunch Hour Legal Marketing now on YouTube Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok

Jan 17, 2024 • 35min
Conrad’s Crystal Ball: The Re-Re-Return — Sponsored by CallRail
Gyi and Conrad gaze deeply into the hazy future of law firm marketing in 2024, but are they true fortune tellers or phonies? They talk through the successes of predictions past and offer their insight into the uncertain future.____________________________________________________________Time to dust off the crystal ball, but first, the guys take a look back and show off their brilliant powers of prediction with a whole slew of spot-on prophecies that did, in fact, come to pass in 2023. In-house marketers increased, lawyers took to social media in bigger ways, brand affinity/awareness tactics were key, and more! And, uh… y’know—nevermind that bit of a psychic blind spot on the massive AI renaissance.Next, let’s take a look at the most significant trends of 2023. The guys unpack the major happenings in AI, the legal business sphere, marketing strategies, social media engagement, and all the other things competent soothsayers must examine as they ponder eternity.Finally, the future. Gyi and Conrad gaze into the depths of the mystic orb, and what lies ahead is clear—more and more AI is coming into the practice of law. What else? We’re not giving it all away! Listen in to find out. Many thanks to our friends at CallRail for sponsoring this extra LHLM episode.Mentioned in this Episode:Leave Us an Apple Review Lunch Hour Legal Marketing now on YouTube Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok

Jan 3, 2024 • 38min
Mindful Gifting || Resolutions Past and Future
If you’ve never put much thought into gifts, maybe it’s time to ponder the influence and effect of a perfectly personalized present. And, how did the guys’ resolutions go last year? Eh… you’ll see. _____________________________________________________________________Unexpected, unnecessary gifts can be pretty darn impactful, and they might just be an awesome way to express your esteem for a valued professional peer. Gyi and Conrad encourage listeners to forgo the pears and apples and consider a thoughtful, personalized gifting strategy that truly shows others you care.Next, the guys answer a listener question on Google SGE. What are its long-term prospects? Will it play a role in Search? Gyi and Conrad hash out their prognostications. It seems we love to hate ourselves for failing miserably at New Year’s resolutions. The guys share their successes and lack thereof on 2023’s personal, professional, and podcast goals, and talk about their bright, shiny hopes for 2024. The News:
Take that, robocallers/texters! The FCC has adopted new rules closing 'lead generator" loopholes.
Is print coming back? Great Legal Marketing has an excellent print newsletter, so maybe, just maybe, you should consider one as well.
Mentioned in this Episode:Ask a question—get some swag!Leave Us an Apple Review Lunch Hour Legal Marketing now on YouTube Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok

Dec 27, 2023 • 33min
Bad Math - Undercapitalization || Riches in the Niches?
Bad math might be holding you back from your business goals, and, later, is it a good or bad idea to diversify your legal practice areas? _______________________________________________________________Lawyers aren’t known for their math skills, but those who are business owners need to understand how to budget their money for continued growth. In fact, if you’re not investing enough in your marketing, you might be moving backwards. Gyi and Conrad talk through strategies for effective marketing investments that will help you reach your business goals. To maximize your revenue, should you undertake multiple niches in your legal practice? It depends. Practice area diversification isn’t all bad—in some markets it might work well for you, but it can also be problematic. They guys break down the pros and cons of a multi-niche legal practice. The News:
This video looks amazing: Hands-on with Gemini: Interacting with multimodal AI - YouTube. But now it’s looking like we’ve been misled: Google shares sink following reports that some of their AI demo was faked.
Joy Hawkins has informed everyone that they basically don’t exist after hours on Google unless they run a 24/7 listing.
Mentioned in this Episode:Maximum LawyerAsk a question—get some swag!Leave Us an Apple Review Lunch Hour Legal Marketing now on YouTube Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok