
ProductLed Podcast
The ProductLed Podcast is a weekly interview series with both product-led growth leaders and practitioners who have real knowledge to share on what it takes to use their product to grow a business.
Latest episodes

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Aug 27, 2024 • 23min
How monday.com's Customer Success and Product Teams Work Closely Together
Tom Ronen, the head of customer success at monday.com, shares insights on the synergy between product and customer success teams. He emphasizes the need for shared KPIs to focus on user engagement and customer satisfaction. Tom discusses fostering a culture of transparency, where communication flows freely and customer feedback directly influences product development. He offers advice for leaders in product-led organizations to prioritize collaboration and gives tips for customer success teams to ensure their voices are heard, helping drive feature improvements.

Aug 20, 2024 • 45min
How to Build a Big SaaS with a Tiny Team.
Wes Bush, an expert who has guided over 408 SaaS companies on product-led strategies, shares invaluable insights on transforming business growth. He discusses the pivotal shift from sales-led to product-led approaches, emphasizing the need to avoid common pitfalls. Wes elaborates on the nine core components of the ProductLed System, designed to scale businesses efficiently. Additionally, he highlights how companies like Canva and Atlassian position themselves as top choices in competitive markets. Tune in for strategies that promise faster growth with less effort!

Aug 14, 2024 • 41min
How Cobalt Transitioned from Sales-Led to Product-Led
Esben Friis-Jensen, Co-Founder and Chief Growth Officer at Userflow and Adviser at Cobalt, shares insights on transitioning from a sales-led to a product-led approach. He discusses the challenges they faced during this shift, including organizational resistance and the importance of gaining team buy-in. Esben highlights the benefits of innovative strategies in the pentesting industry and offers valuable advice on nurturing collaboration between sales and product teams. He emphasizes the need for a positive mindset and iterative learning in this transformative journey.

Jul 30, 2024 • 41min
How Clearbit Operationalized Product-Led Sales to 5x Pipeline
Kevin Tate, former Chief Revenue Officer at Clearbit, shares his extensive expertise in strategic marketing. He dives into how Clearbit transformed its sales pipeline by 5x through a data-driven, product-led approach. Key topics include the concept of Marketing Engaged Leads (MELs) and the importance of understanding customer intent via data insights. He also emphasizes the need for a flexible segmentation strategy to identify ideal customer profiles and enhance engagement while echoing the importance of making tools accessible for prospects.

Jul 24, 2024 • 43min
How OpenPhone Went From 0 to 1000 Customers
Daryna Kulya, Co-founder of OpenPhone, is with us today. She enjoys serving consumers with the best customer experience by creating products that suit their needs. OpenPhone is an app built for teams and individuals so they can level up and use their phones for business anywhere. It’s everything that you and your team need in a phone system! Daryna gives us an overview of how they were able to come up with this unique vision and how they skyrocketed from 0 to 1000 customers.
Are you on the lookout for a business phone? If so, then catch her on the show and stay tuned for more.
Show Notes
[4:47] They want to be a part of an environment that is a lot more inspiring and that allows them to make progress.
[5:50] The reason why they joined Velocity
[6:47] Why did they initially give their product for free?
[9:42] People should be getting value out of the product, so see if that’s true
[12:54] They always knew that OpenPhone would ultimately end up being a product that starts with one person in the company and then scales to the whole team
[19:26] One of the most fundamental lessons learned was that a lot of times you overcomplicate things unnecessarily.
[23:17] Daryna shares some of the biggest milestones that they have achieved throughout the years
[27:08] How were they able to build a team and what did that journey look like?
[34:27] Biggest leadership mistakes and lessons learned from the presence of scale
[35:57 Daryna’s advice on delegation, building a business, and scaling it up
About Daryna Kulya
Daryna Kulya is the COO and co-founder of OpenPhone. She was previously a product manager at Vidyard, where she helped to establish and grow Vidyard GoVideo (ViewedIt). She also worked at Deloitte's Digital Innovation Lab, and helped them with their prototypes and innovations.
Back in 2014, she established Product Hunt Toronto, one of the city's largest product events and the world's first Product Hunt community-run meeting. But what’s more interesting is Daryna is adventurous. She loves hiking trails in her free time.
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OpenPhone
Profile
Daryna’s LinkedIn

Jul 16, 2024 • 46min
How Amplitude Went From 1M to 200M ARR in 7 Years
Justin Bauer, SVP of Amplitude, discusses driving growth, shifting to enterprise, changing branding, pricing strategies, and building excellent product analytics. He emphasizes understanding consumers, investing in content, and starting with a strategy. The podcast covers Amplitude's journey from $1M to $200M ARR, focusing on organizational structure, metrics alignment, and strategic decisions for growth.

Jul 10, 2024 • 42min
Using Friction Logs to Unlock Product-Led Growth
To understand usability and boost user engagement, one key concept you need to master is friction logs. In this episode, we cover ideas and recommendations for using them to unlock product-led growth with the help of Pulkit Agrawal, the co-founder of Chameleon.
Pulkit shares his knowledge about what a friction log is, how to make them valuable and the careful considerations you need to consider when making decisions about both good and bad friction.
Show Notes
[01:47] Friction log is a stream of consciousness on a piece of paper.
[04:07] User testing or a friction log. What's the distinction?
[07:32] You don't need to explain every step, and not every step is equal!
[08:18] What does Pulkit want everyone to consider when it comes to friction logs?
[13:46] What better options do you have to consider when making decisions in both good and bad friction?
[17:10] New patterns develop, and people's expectations change along with the market.
[21:02] How can we improve the onboarding experience?
[24:34] It is unnecessary to perfect the journey or the friction log.
[26:58] Improve product experiences by combining qualitative and quantitative data!
[32:39] Never deploy anything that might lead a customer or end user to see something they are not requesting or expecting.
[37:17] Risk comes from not knowing what you're doing, so learn these factors Pulit is talking about.
About Pulkit Agrawal
Previously, Pulkit helped unemployed youth launch businesses in rural India, studied engineering at the University of Cambridge, and worked in data modeling and analysis in London.
About Chameleon
The most well-known product adoption platform, Chameleon, was created to let modern software companies rebrand and alter their user experiences. Teams can easily create, deploy, test, and iterate on in-product experiences, such as banners, tooltips, modals, walkthroughs, checklists, and more, using its no-code Builder.
Profile
Pulkit Agrawal on LinkedIn
Chameleon Blog

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Jul 2, 2024 • 30min
How Community Management Principles Can Support Product-Led Growth
Jeff Coyle is the Co-Founder and Chief Strategy Officer of MarketMuse, an industry-leading content planning technology.
Today, he will explain how community management principles can support product-led growth. Jeff also discusses how community drives “sales-led growth” and the importance of employee advocacy in the success of a community. MarketMuse, his platform, identifies content quality issues and creates a channel for content optimization.
Show Notes
[1:10] Traditional product management and traditionally trained product managers do not typically come from the land of social media.
[5:31] How has the community influenced overall product-led growth?
[8:22] The importance of having thick skin is that you can experience what it’s like to have a negative emotion emerge and create more transparent communication.
[15:54] Employee advocacy and its social impact
[23:18] Key takeaways from this episode that listeners should consider.
About Jeff Coyle
Coyle is the Co-Founder and Chief Product Officer of MarketMuse. This company assists content marketers in establishing topical authority, improving content quality, and transforming semantic research into actionable insights.
Prior to joining MarketMuse, he previously operated his own marketing consultancy and managed the Traffic, Search, and Engagement team for TechTarget, a leader in B2B technology publishing and lead generation.
Links
Product Led Slack Community
Profile
Market Muse
Email address: jeff@marketmuse.com
Jeff on LinkedIn
Jeff on Twitter

Jun 25, 2024 • 54min
How to Nail Your Product Positioning with April Dunford
April Dunford is the author of “Obviously Awesome”, and in this episode, she talks about positioning—what it is and why it’s important. She dives into some of the analogies she used in her book to explain how positioning works. She also brings up Clay Christensen's milkshake story to break down the 5 components of positioning. She then answers some of the viewers’ questions, offering practical advice for startups.
Show Notes
[03:22] Some misconceptions about positioning, why positioning is important in business, and how it differs from traditional branding
[09:22] Why positioning is like the opening scene of a movie
[16:25] Some signs of weak positioning: total confusion, wrong comparisons, prospective clients don’t think your value is valuable or they think your vision is just a fantasy
[20:25] Define what makes your product special and then figure out what is the best context to frame those qualities in
[25:35] The 5 components of positioning: competitive alternatives, unique capabilities, differentiated value, target market segments, and market category
[27:58] On Clayton Christensen’s “Jobs to Be Done” theory
[36:05] How to convince buy-in companies that positioning is important
[43:18] How to define positioning if you do not have best customer fit yet
[45:08] How positioning influences product development
[50:05] How to position your product or company if you want to cater to different countries
About April Dunford
April Dunford studied engineering in university and then spent the first 25 years of her career as a marketing executive for startups. She has worked as a consultant for more than 100 companies, helping them fine-tune their sales and marketing teams.
Aside from being an expert on product positioning, April is also a mentor, an adviser, and a keynote speaker. She lives in Toronto, Canada with her kids and a small dog.
Links
Salesforce
Competing Against Luck by Clayton Christensen
Profile
April Dunford's website
April Dunford's Twitter

Jun 19, 2024 • 17min
How to Run High-Tempo Experiments to Accelerate PLG
Pedro Clivati, Head of Growth at GrowthHackers, shares insights on high-tempo testing, measuring success for growth teams, embracing failure, and starting small with experiments to drive growth. He emphasizes the importance of running tests, correcting misconceptions about growth hacking, and promoting wins across the company.