
ProductLed Podcast
The ProductLed Podcast is a weekly interview series with both product-led growth leaders and practitioners who have real knowledge to share on what it takes to use their product to grow a business.
Latest episodes

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Nov 26, 2024 • 26min
Episode 8: The Product-Led Playbook: Pinpoint Your Biggest Bottleneck with a Simple Scorecard
Discover how essential metrics can drive the growth of a product-led business. Learn to track six core metrics that reveal user behavior and highlight bottlenecks. A weekly scorecard is introduced as a simple tool to monitor these metrics and spot trends over time. Plus, dive into the concept of Product Qualified Leads (PQLs) – users deeply engaged and ready to upgrade. By focusing on PQL tracking, teams can better prioritize and convert valuable users, fueling their path to success.

Nov 18, 2024 • 32min
Episode 7: The Product-Led Playbook: Convert Users To High-Paying Customers Without a Sales Call
In this limited series of the ProductLed Podcast, Wes Bush shares the contents of his new book—The Product-Led Playbook. Each week, we’re releasing one chapter at a time, providing you with practical, no-nonsense guidance on how to build a multi-million-dollar product-led business with a lean team.
In this episode, Wes dives into the pricing component of the ProductLed System to share how to craft a pricing strategy that converts users into high-paying customers without sales calls. He begins by emphasizing the importance of identifying value metrics, which allow SaaS companies to align pricing with the actual benefits users seek. Next, Wes discusses building a pricing matrix, a tiered structure that presents different options based on user needs. He then shares how to determine the ideal price point by testing market willingness and balancing value perception. Finally, he reveals the best practices for building a compelling pricing page, addressing user objections, and showcasing a clear ROI. This approach enables SaaS businesses to create a transparent, user-friendly pricing model that encourages upgrades and reflects real customer value.
Key Highlights:
00:00: Introduction to value-based pricing.05:10: Identifying your value metrics.10:25: Building an effective pricing matrix.15:30: Determining the ideal price point.20:45: Constructing a compelling pricing page.23:55: Addressing common user objections.28:40: Demonstrating a clear ROI to encourage upgrades.
Here’s where you can purchase The Product-Led Playbook.

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Nov 12, 2024 • 29min
Episode 6: The Product-Led Playbook: Showcase Your Product’s Value In 7 Minutes or Less
Discover how to create a frictionless onboarding experience that showcases your product's value in under seven minutes. Learn about the innovative Bowling Alley Framework, which guides users seamlessly from sign-up to success. Explore the importance of reducing unnecessary steps in the onboarding process. Delve into the role of product bumpers, like tooltips and progress bars, as well as conversational bumpers, such as support messages, to keep users engaged and boost retention rates.

Nov 5, 2024 • 34min
Episode 5: The Product-Led Playbook: Build an Offer So Good Your Ideal Users Can’t Say No
Discover how to craft an irresistible offer that potential users can't resist. The discussion highlights three key pillars: result, advantage, and assurance, ensuring your product stands out. Common mistakes like vague messaging and poor structure are addressed, helping you avoid pitfalls. Learn about enhancers such as scarcity and urgency that can boost your offer's appeal. Plus, get insights into structuring a compelling offer page, complete with strategies for maximizing user engagement and signups.

Oct 29, 2024 • 44min
Episode 4: The Product-Led Playbook: Decide What to Give Away vs. What to Monetize
In this limited series of the ProductLed Podcast, Wes Bush shares the contents of his new book—The Product-Led Playbook. Over the next three months, we’re releasing one chapter at a time, providing you with practical, no-nonsense guidance on how to build a multi-million-dollar product-led business with a lean team.
In today’s episode, Wes explores the critical decision-making process of what to give away versus what to monetize in a product-led business. He emphasizes that the most successful models are intentional and strategic. Using real-world examples like Tettra, Wes illustrates how a freemium model can unlock long-term user value and how offering limited free features can lead to higher retention and conversions.
He dives into the different types of free models—such as freemium, opt-in, and usage-based trials—and provides actionable tips on finding the best fit for your business. He introduces the DEEP framework (Desirable, Effective, Efficient, Polished) to help businesses design a powerful free model that delivers tangible value upfront without overwhelming users.
Key Highlights:
1:14: What makes an intentional free model2:12: Case study: Tettra’s switch to freemium3:17: Key benefits of the DEEP framework6:40: How to build user trust with value11:20: Practical steps to define your beginner level22:05: The PCR test for finding solutions32:06: Understanding opt-in and opt-out models
You can buy The Product-Led Playbook here.

Oct 22, 2024 • 41min
Episode 3: The Product-Led Playbook: Understand Your Users Better Than Anyone Else
In this limited series of the ProductLed Podcast, Wes Bush shares the contents of his new book—The Product-Led Playbook. Over the next three months, we’re releasing one chapter at a time, providing you with practical, no-nonsense guidance on how to build a multi-million-dollar product-led business with a lean team.
In today’s episode, Wes dives into the user component and shares what it takes to know your users better than anyone else. He shares how identifying an "ideal user" and focusing on serving them can lead to a stronger product-market fit, higher engagement, and stronger user loyalty. Wes introduces the "User Endgame Roadmap Model" to help businesses identify, understand, and serve their ideal users more effectively. He also emphasizes the importance of differentiating between users and buyers, particularly in B2B scenarios, to create a product that users genuinely love.
Key Highlights
1:08: Lessons from LucidLink: Focusing on a single user profile.3:41: The difference between users and buyers.5:15: Identifying your "ideal user."8:03: The importance of user-centricity in product development.10:34: Step-by-step guide to defining your ideal user.15:41: Introducing the "User Endgame Roadmap Model" and how to implement it to your business.19:24: Clarifying your "User Endgame Statement" and defining core outcomes for successful users.
You can buy The Product-Led Playbook here.

Oct 15, 2024 • 45min
Episode 2: The Product-Led Playbook: How to Craft a Winning, Hard-To-Copy Strategy
In this limited series of the ProductLed Podcast, Wes Bush shares the contents of his new book—The Product-Led Playbook. Over the next three months, we’re releasing one chapter at a time, providing you with practical, no-nonsense guidance on how to build a multi-million-dollar product-led business with a lean team.
In today’s episode, Wes dives into the strategy component and shares what it takes to become the obvious choice in your market. Just as Southwest Airlines dominated by making key strategic choices, you’ll discover how to simplify your approach and focus your energy on what truly matters. You’ll explore the Bullseye Strategy Framework that helps product-led businesses move from struggling in competitive, commoditized markets to becoming industry leaders—like Canva, HubSpot, and Atlassian.
Key Highlights
1:18: Breakdown of Southwest Airlines' strategy, highlighting how strategic choices enabled their rapid growth.
3:15: The importance of saying "no" to non-aligned projects to maintain focus and avoid the "action trap."
6:24: Explanation of the "Commodity Zone," where early-stage businesses struggle with fierce competition and low profits.
9:34: How ProductLed client Paubox focused on mental health professionals to become the obvious choice in a specific niche.
13:30: The "moats" you can use as strategic defences that make a business hard to copy.
30:08 – Introduction to the importance of making strategic choices.
41:51: The importance of aligning your team with a one-page strategy document called the "One-Page Endgame Canvas."
You can buy The Product-Led Playbook here.

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Oct 8, 2024 • 45min
Episode 1: Introduction to “The Product-Led Playbook”
Discover the transformative power of product-led growth for SaaS businesses. Explore how to transition to a self-serve model that aligns with modern buyer preferences. Uncover essential strategies for irresistible offers and frictionless onboarding. Delve into various profit growth levels and learn what it takes to become the top choice in your market. With practical insights from industry experts, start building a foundation for exponential growth and self-serve success.

Oct 3, 2024 • 23min
Why Some Companies Soar with PLG (And Why Others Crash)
In this episode of the ProductLed Podcast, Wes Bush and Laura Kluz discuss Wes’ new book, The Product-Led Playbook, set to launch on October 8, 2024. This playbook is the no-BS guide to actually implementing PLG, and explores why some product-led companies see millions in ARR, while others don’t.
The book is structured around nine components, which guide companies from building a solid foundation to scaling for exponential growth. The first stage includes crafting a winning strategy, identifying the ideal user, and creating an intentional product model. The second stage involves establishing a frictionless onboarding process and developing effective pricing strategies. The final stage focuses on data analysis, growth processes, and team development.
The playbook offers a step-by-step approach to operationalizing PLG and is full of templates and canvases designed for team collaboration. Intended primarily for B2B software founders and early-stage go-to-market teams, this playbook provides a structured method for effectively implementing PLG.
Key Moments:
00:00 – What The Product-Led Playbook is and its release date.
02:03 – Exploration of why some companies succeed with PLG while others don't.
03:00 – The customer patterns Wes saw, which led to the creation of the ProductLed System.
06:32 – Explanation of the nine components of the ProductLed System.
15:11 – The three main outcomes you can expect when you implement the system into your business
20:21 – A juicy gift for podcast listeners.

Sep 19, 2024 • 51min
How To Drive 10,000+ Signups In 2 Weeks w/ Co-Founder of Tango and Zach DeWitt From Wing VC
Ken Babcock, Co-Founder of Tango, and Zach DeWitt from Wing VC share their secrets to achieving 10,000 sign-ups in just two weeks. They discuss strategic insights for startups, emphasizing the value of rapid experimentation and customer feedback. The duo highlights the importance of a data-driven, customer-centric culture, and how to effectively structure pilot programs for early-stage products. They underline the significance of clear communication within teams and the need to understand customer personas to facilitate product alignment and growth.
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