
Grow & Tell
Nobody’s prepared to grow a billion-dollar business from square one. So we’re learning from revenue leaders who have already done it.
Join host Alex Kracov, former VP of Marketing at Lattice and now Founder and CEO of Dock, as he has candid conversations with successful revenue leaders about their business growth stories.
We’ll talk to sales, marketing, and customer success leaders about their growing pains. We’ll interview founders who have built companies from the ground-up. And we’ll talk to agencies and consulting firms who do the behind-the-scenes work for the fastest-growing companies in the world.
If you want the true, challenging stories of what it takes to grow revenue—not generic, high-level advice—then this show is for you.
Latest episodes

Jan 15, 2024 • 43min
Zenefits' Aggressive Growth: Robby Allen on growing a 250-rep sales team
Robby Allen, CRO of AgentSync, shares sales leadership stories from his time as Director of Sales Development at Zenefits.Zenefits is one of the most infamous hypergrowth stories in SaaS history, growing to over $70 million ARR and a $4 billion valuation from 2013 to 2016.But their hypergrowth came at a cost. Insurance compliance issues resulted in millions of dollars of fines, a leadership shakeup, and mass layoffs in 2017.Robby Allen was there for all of it — bringing some key lessons from Zenefits to his next venture, leading sales at AgentSync.On today's episode, Alex and Robby discuss:Transitioning from SDR to sales leaderSpinning up Zenefits' outbound strategyWhy AgentSync hired scrappy AEs before enterprise repsThe difference between being a CRO and VP of SalesWorking with Jason Lemkin at SaaStr

Jan 8, 2024 • 42min
How Chris Orlob grew Gong to $200M (after they crushed his startup)
Chris Orlob shares his unlikely origin story as Gong's first marketer, sales leadership advice, and what it was like to transition entrepreneurship at Pclub.In 2015, Chris faced tough competition when his newly founded company, Conversature, went up against Gong -- the eventual category winner.Although he was forced to close his doors just one year later, a new one opened at Gong.After joining as Gong's Head of Product Marketing, Chris started Gong Labs, one of the most successful content marketing programs in SaaS, and helped grow Gong from $200k to $200M ARR and a $7.2B valuation.In 2022, he left Gong and leveraged his audience into co-founding Pclub.io — a sales learning platform, and QuotaSignal — a tech-enabled revenue team hiring service.On today's episode, Alex and Chris discuss:Going from competitor to Product Marketing Director at GongThe explosive growth of Gong LabsTransitioning from marketing to sales leadershipCo-Founding Pclub.io and QuotaSignal

Nov 27, 2023 • 50min
From AE to CEO: Todd Busler's sales journey from Heap to Champify
Todd Busler shares how his path from first go-to-market hire to VP of Sales at Heap led him to found his own tech company, Champify.Being an early sales hire is a great test run for being a founder.As the first sales hire at Heap, Todd helped the company grow from $300k to $40 million ARR and 10x their average contract value.Six years later, he co-founded Champify, helping GTM teams sell more effectively with one innovative tool.In today’s episode, Alex and Todd discuss:How internal sales competition led to Heap’s growthThe evolution of Heap's competitive messagingHow the sales landscape has changed over timeThe differences between being an early sales hire vs. a founder

Nov 13, 2023 • 47min
Scaling Marketing: How Nico Dato grew Podium from $1m to $100m
Nico Dato, CMO of Entrata, shares lessons from growing Podium from a single-product review platform to a nine-figure, multi-product lead gen platform.When Nico Dato joined Podium in 2015, they were a single-product review tool for SMBs with under $1m in revenue.Over a 7-year period, Nico helped grow Podium to a multi-product lead conversion platform with over $100m in revenue. For those counting at home, that's 100x growth.In today’s episode, Alex and Nico discuss:How Podium grew primarily through webinars and industry tradeshowsThe two most important relationships for every marketing leader (spoiler: it's Product and Sales)Why MQLs are a deceptive metricPlanning Entrata's massive user conferenceWhy you shouldn’t sleep on Utah as a tech hub

Oct 23, 2023 • 48min
Self-Serve Growth: Marie Gassée on leading growth at Box & Confluent
Marie Gassée, Head of Go-to-market at Column, shares stories of growing self-serve at Box and Confluent.Marie Gassée has an impressive track record building growth programs.She led the launch of Box’s product-led motion and helped Confluent commercialize its open-source developer community.But none of that growth came easy.On today's episode, join Alex & Marie as they discuss:Building Box’s self-serve programSelling to open-source users at ConfluentEarly growth lessons from ColumnScaling herself along her career journey

Oct 10, 2023 • 44min
Growing a CS Team: Joseph Schmitt on leading success at UpKeep
Joseph Schmitt, VP of Success at UpKeep, shares his learn-by-doing approach to growing Customer Success teams. Joseph Schmitt is exactly the type of growth story we like to tell—from a few perspectives.He’s had a surprisingly fast personal career arc from entry-level support to senior Customer Success leader and also helped grow two startup customer success teams from the ground up.On today’s show, Joseph and Alex chat about:Transitioning from entry-level support to management & senior leadershipJoining UpKeep as their first CS hireHiring and retaining UpKeep’s CS team for the past 6 yearsStructuring UpKeep’s CS teamsWorking with a non-tech-savvy customer baseAdvice for early CS hires

Oct 2, 2023 • 52min
Bootstrapping & Messaging: Peep Laja on growing CXL & Wynter
Peep Laja, co-founder of Wynter, CXL, and Speero, shares lessons from bootstrapping multi-million-dollar businesses from scratch. Plus, he shares messaging lessons from Wynter.Peep Laja is an expert at bootstrapping companies.He started by turning his in-house marketing experience into a consultancy…He took that consultancy and scaled it into an agency…He used the profits from his agency to bootstrap an e-learning business…And then he took the profits from his elearning business to bootstrap a SaaS company.In today’s episode, Peep and I discuss:The founding stories behind his three companiesAdvice for company positioning and messagingWhy he moves upmarket as fast as possibleWynter’s growth and marketing strategy

Sep 25, 2023 • 53min
Founding Sales: Peter Kazanjy on selling as Co-Founder at Atrium
Peter Kazanjy, co-founder of Atrium and author of Founding Sales, shares sales advice for startup founders. They discuss pivoting startups, democratizing sales metrics, datafication of sales, and building a sales community. The conversation also covers the evolution of sales processes, community marketing, navigating product development for revenue teams, and the consolidation of sales tech.

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Sep 18, 2023 • 52min
Community-Led Growth: Camille Ricketts on marketing at Notion
Former Head of Marketing at Notion, Camille Ricketts, shares insights on positioning Notion as a broad product, building an engaged community, partnering with influencers, infusing emotion into marketing strategy, and advice for community-led growth.

Sep 11, 2023 • 49min
Customer Experience Teams: Gillian Heltai on building Lattice's CX program
Gillian Heltai, Chief Customer Officer at Lattice, shares her experience in building customer experience programs at Lattice, Talkdesk, and comScore.As Gillian puts it, she worked in customer success long before anyone called it customer success.Since then, she's helped build successful CX programs at comScore, Talkdesk, and now Lattice.On today's episode, Alex and Gillian discuss:Growing from entry-level analyst to Senior VP at comScoreGoing on a customer listening tour at Talkdesk to create a new onboarding program for upmarket customersJoining Lattice after its Series CHow Lattice structures its CX teamsAdvice for onboarding, health scoring, renewals, and more
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