
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

May 25, 2021 • 1h 2min
How to build everything, with Flex CEO Revathi Advaithi
Revathi Advaithi, the CEO of Flex, discusses the intricate world of manufacturing, where her company is a leader in creating everything from hair dryers to advanced electric vehicle systems. She delves into the challenges of the global chip shortage and how it reshapes business strategies. The conversation covers the rise of automation, the need for workforce reskilling, and the ethical considerations of manufacturing in today's geopolitical landscape. Revathi also emphasizes Flex's commitment to sustainability and investments in transformative technologies.

May 20, 2021 • 47min
Ford CEO Jim Farley on building the electric F-150 — and reinventing Ford
Jim Farley, CEO of Ford Motor Company, dives into the exhilarating world of electric vehicles, particularly the F-150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E. He discusses how cars are evolving into high-tech platforms with capabilities to upgrade like software. The conversation reveals Ford's strategic advantages against competitors like Tesla and addresses the challenges posed by the chip shortage. Farley emphasizes the need for standardization in charging technology and the importance of making vehicles more upgradable in this software-driven automotive landscape.

May 11, 2021 • 57min
Facebook’s Oversight Board has upheld the Trump ban. What’s next?
In this engaging discussion, Kate Klonick, a law professor at St. John’s University and an expert on Facebook's Oversight Board, shares insights from her extensive research on content moderation. She delves into the board’s crucial decision to uphold Donald Trump's ban, highlighting the challenges of maintaining independence and legitimacy in moderation. Kate emphasizes the need for clearer policies on platform bans and explores the implications for freedom of expression and social media governance globally. Discover how this ruling could shape the future of digital content oversight.

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May 4, 2021 • 1h 2min
How Shopify’s network of small businesses can take on Amazon
In a compelling discussion, Harley Finkelstein, President of Shopify, shares insights into how his platform empowers small businesses to thrive against tech giants like Amazon. He highlights Shopify's critical role during the pandemic and the importance of direct consumer relationships. The conversation dives into the complexities of content moderation and maintaining ethical standards in e-commerce. Additionally, Harley reveals the innovative Shopify Fulfillment Network that helps independent sellers enhance their logistics while preserving brand identity.

Apr 27, 2021 • 49min
Senator Amy Klobuchar takes on Apple with antitrust law
Senator Amy Klobuchar, a prominent advocate for antitrust reform and consumer protection, discusses her new book on monopolistic practices and the rise of tech giants. She reflects on recent hearings targeting Apple's App Store dominance and the urgent need for legislative change. Klobuchar emphasizes the bipartisan support for antitrust reform while navigating the complexities of regulating big tech. The conversation also touches on the impact of innovation on consumer rights and the future challenges of privacy in a rapidly evolving technological landscape.

Apr 20, 2021 • 1h 4min
How Anjali Sud stopped worrying about YouTube and reinvented Vimeo
Anjali Sud, CEO of Vimeo, transformed the platform from indie streaming to a thriving video SaaS for businesses. She discusses Vimeo's rapid growth, its unique subscription-based model, and the challenges of monetizing creator content. Anjali also dives into navigating video distribution strategies and the importance of customizing content for various platforms. With an upcoming IPO, she reflects on the pressures of being public, the evolving creator economy, and how Vimeo aims to support creators while ensuring long-term growth.

Apr 13, 2021 • 1h 1min
Is VR the next frontier in fitness?
Chris Milk, founder and CEO of Within, is a pioneer in the VR industry, best known for the fitness app Supernatural. He discusses how VR technology blends gaming with fitness, creating engaging workouts that can reshape health routines. The conversation covers the key role of music in workout experiences, challenges of music licensing, and how virtual reality can enhance body perception. Chris also emphasizes the potential of VR to foster human connection and joy while competing with traditional fitness giants like Peloton.

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Apr 6, 2021 • 1h 21min
Is there a future for Bitcoin? An investor and a skeptic make their case
Nic Carter, a Bitcoin advocate and partner at Castle Island Ventures, contrasts sharply with Steve Hanke, a skeptic and economics professor at Johns Hopkins. They dive into Bitcoin's dual identity as a currency and an asset, discussing its viability against fiat currencies, especially in unstable economies. The conversation touches on Bitcoin's transaction limitations, emerging alternatives, and its speculative nature. They also tackle the historical shift from gold to crypto, questioning value and the potential risks associated with Bitcoin's evolution.

Mar 31, 2021 • 49min
Facebook's VP of Global Affairs doesn’t think the platform is polarizing
In a thought-provoking conversation, Casey Newton, a tech reporter known for his insights on social media, interviews Nick Clegg, Facebook's VP of Global Affairs and former UK Deputy Prime Minister. They dive into Facebook's recent changes to enhance user control and address criticisms about misinformation and polarization. Clegg argues against the notion that Facebook is polarizing, discussing the platform's responsibility in public discourse. They also explore the complex causes of societal polarization and the need for transparency in addressing content moderation challenges.

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Mar 30, 2021 • 1h 4min
Poshmark’s Tracy Sun on stitching e-commerce with social media
Tracy Sun, co-founder and SVP of New Markets at Poshmark, dives into the world of social e-commerce. She shares insights on how Poshmark successfully merges shopping with social networking, creating a vibrant community of 'poshers.' Tracy discusses the challenges of going public while maintaining company culture and investor expectations. She highlights the importance of empowering sellers and integrating innovative tools to enhance user experience. Additionally, Tracy addresses the complexities of content moderation and navigating brand relationships in the booming resale market.