
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

Jul 27, 2021 • 52min
Chuck Todd on why Meet the Press can’t survive on just one platform
Chuck Todd, the political director at NBC News and moderator of the iconic Meet the Press, discusses the evolution of television news amid the streaming revolution. He highlights challenges in engaging younger audiences and the impact of social media on political discourse. The conversation dives into the need for journalistic integrity in an era rife with misinformation and examines how traditional media must adapt to maintain credibility while competing with entertainment platforms. Todd also previews innovative formats for future reporting.

Jul 20, 2021 • 1h 9min
How Blackstone became the darling of grill TikTok with CEO Roger Dahle
Roger Dahle, CEO of Blackstone Products, shares insights on the company's rise as a TikTok sensation with its griddles. He discusses how user feedback has driven innovation and the importance of social media in their marketing strategy. Dahle reveals the challenges of competing with industry giants like Weber and Cuisinart, while also touching on the unique dynamics of selling on Amazon. He emphasizes the role of creator collaborations in shaping the brand’s identity and the broader trends influencing outdoor cooking.

Jul 13, 2021 • 58min
Can Polestar design a new kind of car company?
Thomas Ingenlath, CEO of Polestar and former chief design officer at Volvo, dives into the innovative strategies of his electric vehicle company. He discusses Polestar's transition to independence and its asset-light model, along with the challenges of balancing intuition and data-driven decisions in the automotive industry. Ingenlath highlights groundbreaking design elements, including the integration of Android for enhanced user experience, and emphasizes Polestar’s commitment to sustainability while navigating the evolving landscape of electric vehicle charging.

Jul 6, 2021 • 34min
Land of the Giants: Delivery Wars
Delivery apps are reshaping the restaurant industry, creating complex relationships between owners and services. A deep dive into DoorDash's origins reveals insight into a billion-dollar marketplace. Listeners hear personal stories that emphasize the tug-of-war between convenience and supporting local eateries. The evolution of bagel shops into modern delivery hubs showcases the clash of tradition and technology. The rising commission fees from third-party delivery apps unveil financial strains for restaurant owners, sparking discussions about the future of food delivery.

Jun 29, 2021 • 1h 18min
Juul and the business of addiction, with Lauren Etter
Lauren Etter, an investigative reporter at Bloomberg News and author of "The Devil's Playbook," dives into Juul's dramatic rise and fall. She reveals how a tech startup aimed to disrupt smoking but instead ignited a youth nicotine crisis. The conversation touches on the complex relationship between Juul and traditional tobacco companies, regulatory challenges, and the innovative nicotine delivery systems that transformed vaping. Etter also explores the ethical implications of Juul's marketing strategies and the public health repercussions of this modern addiction.

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Jun 25, 2021 • 38min
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella on the business of Windows
Satya Nadella, CEO and chairman of Microsoft, known for his leadership in cloud computing and AI, discusses the fresh launch of Windows 11, which introduces a sleek design and the ability to run Android apps. He shares insights on Microsoft's responsibilities and how antitrust legislation may shape the company’s future. The conversation highlights Windows' evolution in a cloud-centric world, the importance of remote work, and strategies to foster a vibrant app ecosystem, all while navigating competition and collaboration in the tech landscape.

Jun 22, 2021 • 1h 5min
Patreon CEO Jack Conte on why creators can’t depend on platforms
Jack Conte, co-founder and CEO of Patreon, dives deep into the creator economy and the direct payment model that supports artists. He discusses the challenges creators face with traditional revenue streams and how Patreon fosters closer bonds between them and their fans. Jack emphasizes the importance of transparency in financial decisions and navigating monetization challenges, all while underscoring the need for creators to build authentic relationships with their audiences amid a shifting digital landscape.

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Jun 15, 2021 • 1h 4min
John Deere CTO Jahmy Hindman on farming, data, and fixing the tractors of the future
Jahmy Hindman, Chief Technology Officer at John Deere, leads discussions on the intersection of technology and agriculture. He shares insights on how precision farming is reshaping equipment through advanced computing, highlighting the challenges of connectivity and climate change. Hindman explores the significance of the 'Right to Repair' movement, addressing farmers' struggles with software restrictions. Additionally, he delves into the ongoing semiconductor chip shortage and the push towards electric machinery, envisioning a tech-driven future for farming.

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Jun 8, 2021 • 1h 5min
The next generation of startups is remote, with Y Combinator's Michael Siebel
Michael Seibel, managing director of Y Combinator and co-founder of Justin.tv (now Twitch), dives into the future of remote startups. He discusses the shift towards remote work and its implications for inclusivity in entrepreneurship. Seibel highlights the challenges faced by underrepresented founders and the evolving creator economy, particularly how it opens new avenues for small businesses. He also reflects on the importance of mission-driven startups and the role of platforms like Reddit in shaping economic opportunities.

Jun 1, 2021 • 1h 6min
Why Spotify’s chief legal officer called Apple a “ruthless bully”
Horacio Gutierrez, Spotify’s head of global affairs and chief legal officer, is known for his outspoken criticism of Apple’s App Store policies. He discusses the frustrations developers face, particularly Apple's 30% fee and monopolistic practices, referencing his recent testimony before Congress. Horacio advocates for regulatory changes to foster innovation and competition. He also explores how these tensions mirror issues musicians face on streaming platforms, highlighting the need for industry transparency and better artist support.