
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Jun 3, 2024 • 1h 1min
Zoom CEO Eric Yuan wants AI clones in meetings
In this conversation, Eric Yuan, the visionary Founder and CEO of Zoom, reveals his ambitious plans for the future of virtual meetings. He introduces the concept of 'digital twins'—AI avatars that could attend meetings and make decisions on our behalf, potentially revolutionizing how we work. The discussion touches on Zoom's evolution into a comprehensive AI-driven workplace solution, the importance of maintaining human connections, and the competitive landscape against giants like Microsoft and Google. Get ready to rethink your relationship with video calls!

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May 30, 2024 • 28min
Google Zero is here. Now what?
Giselle Navarro, Managing Editor of HouseFresh, shares insights on the upheaval in the digital landscape due to Google's recent algorithm changes. She discusses the alarming traffic losses faced by independent sites, emphasizing the struggle against larger publishers' dominance. The conversation dives into the challenges of visibility in this new era of search, where AI and swarming tactics complicate things for smaller creators. Giselle also highlights strategies for content creators to adapt and build trust with their audiences amidst these shifting dynamics.

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May 23, 2024 • 42min
How the FBI built its own smartphone company to hack the criminal underworld
In this engaging conversation, Joseph Cox, co-founder of 404 Media and author of "Dark Wire," shares insights on the FBI's audacious venture into the smartphone market with the startup ANOM. He discusses the evolution of secure messaging platforms from BlackBerry to Signal and their relevance to criminal activities. Joseph reveals the complexities of law enforcement's balancing act between technology and privacy, including the challenges of infiltrating encrypted communication networks. His captivating stories highlight the intersection of tech innovation and crime.

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May 20, 2024 • 45min
Google's Sundar Pichai on AI-powered search and the future of the web
Sundar Pichai, the CEO of Alphabet and Google, dives deep into AI's transformative role in search technology. He passionately discusses the stark tension between Google's vision for an AI-empowered future and the anxieties of creators facing potential invisibility in traffic. Pichai emphasizes the implications for content creators as search algorithms evolve, revealing the need for authentic voices amidst a flood of AI-generated content. With a focus on user experience, he envisions a personalized digital landscape while acknowledging the challenges it brings for the web.

May 16, 2024 • 47min
TikTok's big bet to fight the ban bill
In this engaging discussion, Sarah Jeong, a Verge editor and former lawyer, alongside Alex Heath, a seasoned TikTok correspondent, dissect TikTok's legal showdown against the U.S. government. They delve into the complexity of the constitutional arguments surrounding the app's potential ban and the intricate dynamics of its ownership by ByteDance. The duo highlights the tensions between free speech and national security, questioning the evidentiary basis for the ban. Their insights illuminate the broader implications of this high-stakes case.

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May 13, 2024 • 1h 1min
Why Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen is confident we'll all adapt to AI
Shantanu Narayen, CEO of Adobe for nearly 17 years, discusses the company's pivotal role in reshaping creative workflows amidst the rise of generative AI. He delves into how AI is revolutionizing creative processes while addressing the tension between creativity as art and commerce. The conversation touches on the ethical challenges of AI in content creation, the implications of misinformation, and the future of document management. Narayen emphasizes the importance of transparency and responsibility in adopting new technologies to protect artists and enhance digital experiences.

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May 9, 2024 • 41min
Why the tech industry can’t crack the smart home
Jen Tuohy, a smart home reviewer for Verge, discusses the ongoing challenges in the smart home industry, particularly the pressing need for interoperability among devices. She delves into how the Matter standard aims to address these compatibility issues but notes that significant hurdles remain. The conversation also touches on the potential for open-source solutions, the frustrations users face, and the importance of privacy in future smart home designs. Tune in for insights into the evolution of this tech dream!

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May 6, 2024 • 1h 4min
Polestar CEO Thomas Ingenlath on life after Volvo and weathering the EV slowdown
Thomas Ingenlath, CEO of Polestar, shares insights on the electric vehicle market's evolution and Polestar's newfound independence from Volvo. He discusses the strategic implications of this shift and the launch of new models like the Polestar 3 and 4. Ingenlath also reflects on unique design decisions, the challenge of integrating technology while maintaining brand identity, and the importance of appealing to tech-savvy consumers. Plus, he weighs in on competitive dynamics with companies like Tesla and the future of the user experience in EVs.

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May 2, 2024 • 40min
Understanding the chaos at Tesla
In this discussion, Andy Hawkins, transportation editor at The Verge, provides insights into Tesla's tumultuous period, marked by layoffs and falling revenue. They delve into the widening gap between Tesla's business performance and its market valuation, driven by competition and regulatory pressures. Andy highlights safety concerns surrounding Tesla's self-driving features and the challenges of launching the much-anticipated Cybertruck. The conversation also explores Elon Musk's ambitious robo-taxi plans and the impact of evolving AI technologies on the automotive landscape.

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Apr 29, 2024 • 1h 8min
Mercedes-Benz CEO Ola Källenius explains why EVs are still the future — but Apple's next-gen CarPlay isn't
Ola Källenius, the CEO of Mercedes-Benz, leads the charge in the automotive shift towards electric vehicles. He discusses the company's commitment to an all-EV lineup despite industry challenges. Källenius shares insights on transforming car designs to blend classic looks with modern EV technology and highlights the competitive landscape of in-car infotainment. He also touches on the evolution of EV charging infrastructure and the integration of AI in crafting personalized user experiences, making the future of driving ever more intelligent and electric.