
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Apr 25, 2024 • 48min
Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems
Lauren Feiner, a Senior Policy Reporter at The Verge with a focus on technology regulation, dives deep into the TikTok ban and its implications for U.S. privacy law. She highlights the roots of the ban in Congressional inaction on privacy legislation. The discussion covers how banning TikTok won’t solve broader data security issues and the need for comprehensive federal privacy reforms. Feiner also addresses the complex relationship between national security, algorithm transparency, and the future of tech policy amidst rising concerns over user privacy.

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Apr 22, 2024 • 59min
Discord CEO Jason Citron makes the case for a smaller, more private internet
Jason Citron, Co-founder and CEO of Discord, dives into the platform's evolution from a gaming tool to a vibrant social hub. He discusses the importance of intimate online spaces, contrasting them with traditional public platforms. Jason emphasizes Discord's unique approach to user engagement, balancing privacy with safety, especially for younger users. The conversation also touches on the challenges of moderation, copyright issues, and innovative revenue strategies, showcasing how Discord aims to reshape online interactions.

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Apr 18, 2024 • 43min
Disney just fought off a shareholder revolt — but the clock’s still ticking
Julia Alexander, VP of Strategy at Parrot Analytics and a former Verge reporter, dives into Disney's recent shareholder revolt and its implications for the streaming industry. The discussion reveals how Disney is grappling with the challenges of its streaming service and the decline of traditional media revenues. Julia argues that Disney must leverage its strengths and reconsider its content strategy to thrive. Moreover, the conversation touches on the Marvel franchise's impact on Disney+ and the pressing need for a balanced approach in a competitive media landscape.

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Apr 15, 2024 • 1h 5min
Dropbox CEO Drew Houston wants you to embrace AI and remote work
Drew Houston, the co-founder and CEO of Dropbox, discusses the transformative potential of AI in the workplace and its impact on remote work culture. He shares insights on Dropbox's evolution from a simple cloud storage solution to an AI-focused company that prioritizes collaboration. Houston emphasizes the necessity of in-person interactions to maintain company culture and the importance of aligning tasks with effective communication strategies. He also addresses the emotional challenges of workforce reductions in an AI-driven market, advocating for transparency and skill adaptation.

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Apr 11, 2024 • 43min
The rise and fall of Vice Media
Liz Lopatto, Senior Reporter at The Verge, dives into the tumultuous journey of Vice Media, tracing its evolution from a punk zine to a troubled media giant. She discusses the chaotic management and questionable financial practices that led to its downfall, describing it as a 'fucking clown show.' Topics include the impact of the Me Too movement on leadership, failed financial strategies, and the challenges of adapting in a changing digital landscape. Lopatto's insights reveal the complexities behind Vice's rise and eventual collapse.

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Apr 8, 2024 • 1h 19min
Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender
Matthew Prince, Co-founder and CEO of Cloudflare, dives into his company's crucial role in safeguarding over 20% of the web from cyber threats. He discusses the delicate balance between protecting free speech and preventing harm, especially in conflict zones. The conversation highlights Cloudflare's mission-centric approach to internet governance and efficiency, as well as the ethical complexities in tech today. Prince emphasizes long-term investments in building a better internet, addressing the growing challenges posed by modern cyber threats and governance.

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Apr 4, 2024 • 43min
Why Nintendo sued a Switch emulator out of existence
Tune into a deep dive into the volatile world of video game emulation. Discover why Nintendo took drastic legal action against the Yuzu emulator, shaking the emulation community to its core. Explore the intricate balance between copyright enforcement and the preservation of gaming history. Hear about the nostalgic resurgence of emulators, the challenges developers face under the DMCA, and the broader implications for the future of gaming. It's a fascinating discussion that reveals much about copyright, nostalgia, and the future of gaming preservation.

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Apr 1, 2024 • 1h 6min
Mailchimp CEO Rania Succar on culture, acquisitions, and how big 'small business' really is
Rania Succar, the CEO of Intuit Mailchimp, took the helm in 2022, navigating significant cultural shifts following the company's acquisition. She discusses the challenges of merging distinct company cultures and emphasizes the need for innovation while keeping core values intact. Rania dives into the role of generative AI in revolutionizing email marketing and the strategic focus on enhancing email solutions for small businesses. The conversation also touches on the ongoing challenges of content moderation in the age of AI and the evolving marketing landscape.

Mar 28, 2024 • 53min
Can you patent a pizza?
Cynthia Graber and Nicola Twilley, co-hosts of Gastropod, join Anthony Mangiello, the inventor of stuffed crust pizza, for a deliciously intriguing conversation. They dive into the wild world of food patents, especially the epic legal battle that shaped stuffed crust pizza. From its humorous origin story to the complexities of protecting culinary inventions, they dissect the challenges of intellectual property rights in the food industry. The discussion reveals how legal tussles can spice up a dish’s legacy, making pizza far more thrilling than it seems!

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Mar 25, 2024 • 1h 11min
Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CEO Jay Graber
Jay Graber, CEO of Bluesky Social, discusses his vision for decentralized social media, born from Twitter's original ethos. He argues that user control and account portability are essential for the future of online interactions. The conversation dives into the challenges and unique culture of Bluesky, innovative monetization strategies, and the importance of standardizing protocols. Graber emphasizes the need for platforms to balance user engagement with effective moderation, ensuring a healthier social media ecosystem in the wake of chaos across traditional networks.