
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Mar 21, 2024 • 33min
How Europe’s Digital Markets Act is reshaping Big Tech
Join Verge reporter Jon Porter, an expert on EU tech regulations, as he unpacks the ambitious Digital Markets Act. Discover how this landmark legislation is poised to reshape competition among tech giants like Apple and Google. The discussion highlights the act's obligations for major companies and the resulting shifts in app distribution and user experience. Porter also explores the contrasting responses from tech giants and whether these regulations can genuinely combat monopolistic practices. Tune in for insightful analysis on the implications for the tech landscape!

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Mar 18, 2024 • 54min
Figma CEO Dylan Field is optimistic about the future and AI
Dylan Field, co-founder and CEO of Figma, joins the conversation to discuss the future of design and AI. He shares insights about Figma's independence after a failed $20 billion acquisition by Adobe, highlighting the importance of innovation and new products like FigJam. The chat also delves into how AI can enhance design processes while stressing the necessity of human creativity. Field reflects on the evolving challenges in mobile design and the role of web applications, all while maintaining an optimistic outlook on the creative industry's future.

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Mar 14, 2024 • 40min
Why Google Search feels like it’s gotten worse
Mia Sato, a Verge platforms reporter specializing in Google Search and SEO, joins to discuss the evolution and current state of Google Search. They dive into how aggressive SEO tactics are reshaping online content, often at the expense of quality. Sato reveals the ethical dilemmas of content creation in today's digital landscape, especially with AI's rise. The conversation also highlights Google's struggle with spam and the challenges it faces in maintaining search quality as users explore alternative platforms.

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Mar 11, 2024 • 1h 8min
How to save culture from the algorithms, with Filterworld author Kyle Chayka
Kyle Chayka, a staff writer for The New Yorker and author of "Filterworld: How Algorithms Flattened Culture," delves into the pervasive impact of algorithms on culture. He discusses how social media creates homogenized experiences and influences personal tastes, using examples from travel and the rise of uniform trends. The conversation critiques our online interactions and highlights the struggles creators face in balancing algorithmic pressures with authentic expression. Chayka advocates for engaging with art beyond algorithmic influence to reclaim individuality in culture.

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Mar 7, 2024 • 40min
Why people are falling in love with AI chatbots
Mia David, a Verge reporter with expertise in AI's effects on society, dives into the fascinating world of AI chatbots and their growing popularity in dating. She discusses how these digital companions are reshaping romantic connections, enhancing emotional support, and driving innovation in dating apps. The conversation touches on the complexities of human-AI relationships, ethical considerations, and the potential for meaningful attachments. Mia also explores the implications of forming bonds with AI, raising both excitement and caution about the future of love.

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Mar 4, 2024 • 1h 3min
Guest host Hank Green makes Nilay Patel explain why websites have a future
Hank Green, a science educator and YouTuber, hosts a riveting chat with Nilay Patel, the mind behind The Verge. They tackle the future of websites and innovative revenue models without paywalls. Nilay shares his visions on influencing media through genuine engagement and how current platforms shape content distribution. The duo also dives into the ethical challenges of monetization in journalism, the rise of the Fediverse, and the emotional connections audiences build with technology. This conversation is a fascinating look at the evolving digital landscape!

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Feb 29, 2024 • 41min
AI deepfakes are cheap, easy, and coming for the 2024 election
Adi Robertson, Verge's policy editor, dives into the looming threat of AI-generated disinformation leading up to the 2024 election. They discuss how accessible tools create credible fake audio and images, impacting public perception and complicating content moderation. The conversation touches on the regulatory challenges of deepfakes, the responsibilities of tech companies, and the delicate balance between free speech and protection against misinformation. Ethical dilemmas and proposed legislation, like the No Fakes Act, highlight the urgent need for accountability in this new digital landscape.

Feb 26, 2024 • 1h 10min
Crunchyroll President Rahul Purini on how anime took over the world
Rahul Purini, President of Crunchyroll, shares insights from his extensive anime career, including his time at Funimation. He reveals how Crunchyroll's subscriber base surged during the pandemic, primarily fueled by anime fans switching from piracy to paid subscriptions. The discussion highlights the company's efforts to engage younger viewers and co-produce globally resonant content while navigating complex licensing and intellectual property challenges. Purini also hints at innovations in streaming UX to enhance the anime viewing experience.

Feb 22, 2024 • 1h 5min
Is the Apple Vision Pro All That?
Joanna Stern, a senior tech columnist at the Wall Street Journal, and Mark Gurman, Bloomberg's Apple guru, dive deep into the Apple Vision Pro. They discuss the $3,500 headset's features and mixed reviews from early users. The conversation highlights the challenges of wearable tech, market acceptance, and pricing issues. With humorous anecdotes, they reflect on the device’s immersive capabilities and its potential for both connectivity and isolation. The duo also touches on privacy concerns and Apple's future strategies in the evolving tech landscape.

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Feb 15, 2024 • 40min
How AI copyright lawsuits could make the whole industry go extinct
Join Sarah Jeong, a former lawyer and features editor at The Verge, as she dives into the stormy seas of AI copyright lawsuits. She breaks down the increasing legal challenges AI companies face, particularly around the controversial concept of fair use. The discussion touches on parallels with the Napster era, raising questions about transformative use in copyright law. With landmark cases looming, this conversation unpacks how evolving laws and technological advancements may hold the key to the industry's future.