
RevOps Lab
Welcome to the RevOps Lab - a podcast exploring the art & science of Revenue Operations.
Every week, Philipp & Janis host RevOps professionals to discuss best practices and lessons learnt building scalable revenue engines.
This show is for everyone interested in processes, tooling, enablement, and strategies to supercharge your GTM play.
To find more episodes and resources on scaling your revenue engine, visit getweflow.com/revops
Latest episodes

Feb 6, 2024 • 38min
#15 Building a RevOps org in a high-growth SaaS company - Stefan Mersch, Head of Revenue Operations & Strategy, Sastrify
Stefan Mersch shares his journey of building out RevOps from scratch at Sastrify. From tooling, processes, to key learnings, Stefan shares many valuable nuggets on how to build a RevOps organization in a high-growth SaaS company.What you’ll learn in this episode:
How Stefan built the RevOps team at Sastrify
How to choose and implement new tools
AI in your sales tech stack
You can find more information about Stefan here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-mersch/RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletterJanis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/

Jan 30, 2024 • 36min
#14 Tracking the entire GTM funnel end-to-end - Charlie Saunders, Chief Revenue & Operations Officer @ CS2
We are talking to Charlie Saunders on how to track funnel metrics across the entire marketing and sales funnel.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
How a CRM can help you with tracking and if it is the only source of truth
Which pitholes are to avoid
How the reporting is done with different custom objects
You can find more information about Charlie here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliesaunders/
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/ Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/ Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Marker:
(00:00:00) Introduction/What are funnel metrics for you?
(00:06:06) What are pitholes you see customers going through?
(00:09:29) Can a CRM be the one source of truth and how do you solve the issue with that?
(00:21:11) Do you use different custom objects or base the whole reporting just on one?
(00:24:58) What are your top-learnings?
(00:29:20) Did we forget about something important covering the topic?
(00:33:29) What would you do differently if you had to start over again?

Jan 23, 2024 • 34min
#13 Unlock strategic alignment with a pipeline council - Mallory Lee, Nylas
Have you ever heard of a pipeline council? No? Then this will be the episode you need to hear! Mallory Lee will teach you everything you need to know and will show you a lot of tips and tricks to implement a functional pipeline council.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
Why does a pipeline council make sense and who should participate?
What will the first meetings in a pipeline council look like?
What should you do to make it a success and how will you measure this success?
You can find more information about Mallory here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mallorylee/
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/ Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/ Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Marker:
(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:04:02) What is a pipeline council?
(00:09:20) How to create a culture of openness where no one is "left behind"
(00:14:25) How to measure the council and its benefits
(00:16:54) Which topics would you recommend for pipeline updates?
(00:20:50) How team events can help create a better council
(00:23:44) What else should we know about the pipeline council?
(00:25:33) Pipeline council mistakes to avoid
(00:30:39) What advice would you give your younger self or other people just starting?

Jan 16, 2024 • 31min
#12 How to enter and grow a career in RevOps - Noah Charak, Checkpoint GTM
This episode is for everyone who wants to enter or grow a career in RevOps:
You’ll learn everything about how to get into it as a graduate or someone who is looking to make a lateral career change. What skills do you need to be successful and what types of companies can help speed up your career trajectory?
Last but not least, we dive into best practices on finding the ideal candidate as well as how to make sure that the person you hired is set up for success.
What else you’ll learn in this episode:
How technical do I have to be to get into RevOps?
Can RevOps move into CRO roles?
The best resources to get into and grow as a RevOps manager
You can find more information about Noah here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/noahcharak/
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/ Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/ Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Free RevOps Responsibilities-Rubric https://checkpointgtm.com/free-revenue-operations-responsibilities-rubric
Marker:
(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:05:34) Is RevOps an entry-level role?
(00:11:00) How technical do you have to be to get into RevOps?
(00:12:45) From RevOps to CRO
(00:14:27) How to develop your RevOps
(00:19:44) How do you hire the right RevOps people?
(00:22:55) How do you measure success in RevOps roles?
(00:25:06) How do you delegate as a RevOps person?
(00:28:51) What were your biggest learnings?

Jan 9, 2024 • 41min
#11 Customer Success Ops - Marcus Bening, RevOps at Bening Consulting
In today's episode, you’ll learn everything you need to know about Customer Success Ops.
You’ll get insights in the measurability, the roadmap and the work with customers - including helpful tips about who is a good customer and who is not.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
How to measure brand awareness in RevOps
How to succeed at Customer Success Ops/Work with customers
How did the ideal customer profile change over the last months (ToFu & MoFu)
You can find more information about Marcus here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcusbe/
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/ Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/ Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Marker:
(00:00:00) Introduction/What has changed in your work in the last 18 months?
(00:07:48) Good to know: Customer Success Ops / Who is a good customer?
(00:19:43) Top of the Funnel: How did the ideal customer profile change?
(00:24:27) Outbound, Buyer, Challenges in 2023
(00:30:39) How can RevOps measure brand awareness?

Jan 2, 2024 • 46min
#10 Tools you need to grow your company - Chris Mackinnon, RevOps & Strategy at Zeotap
In today's episode, we're taking you on a journey to create the RevOps tech stack.
From spreadsheets, CRM, to data warehouse, Chris shares many best practices and which pitfalls to avoid.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
Which tools make sense for your RevOps tech stack - and which don’t
If it is recommended to use a marketing tool including CRM
How you grow your company with the best possible tech stack
You can find more information about Chris here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-mac/
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/ Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/ Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Marker:
(00:00:00) Introduction/How would you start the tooling-evolution of the Go To Market Team?
(00:10:08) Do you think it makes sense to use a marketing tool including CRM?
(00:13:35) Which tools would you add while growing the company?
(00:23:30) How do you cover the part analysis?
(00:36:53) What about the Data Warehouse?

Dec 19, 2023 • 11min
#9 Special Episode: RevOps Salary Report
We have a teaser for you today: You’ll get exclusive insights into the RevOps Salary Report!
On our Youtube Channel you can find a longer video where we talk about all of the slides in detail.
What it’s about:
Revenue Data from RevOps Professionals
How to slice and dice all the data and present it to your manager
What your benefits are if you get the Report
Find it on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/@getweflow
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/ Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/ Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Marker:
(00:00:00) What is the Salary Report about?
(00:02:34) What is the medium compensation for RevOps Labs
(00:05:54) Education on Budget
(00:07:23) Key-Takeaways from the report

Dec 12, 2023 • 31min
#8 Scaling RevOps from 0 to 25 people at Contentful - Adrien Del Bonta, Contentful
We talked to Adrien Del Bonta about lessons learned founding and scaling the RevOp organization at Contentful.
She told us about topics like entering a new role, documentation, simplification, and developing influence as a RevOps team. What were her best learnings throughout the years?
What you’ll learn in this episode:
Why documentation is everything
What makes communication so important
How you scale a Business to 700 people successfully and how to implement RevOps
You can find more information about Adrien here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriendelbonta/
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/ Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/ Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Marker:
(00:00:00) Introduction/Give us some context about your business
(00:02:28) What were the main lessons you've learned in the past six years?
(00:05:36) What are your thougths on successful onboardings and what do you learn while the organisation got bigger?
(00:08:11) How do you educate and approach so many people?
(00:14:57) How do you grow your team successfully?
(00:18:32) How do you find the best people to hire?
(00:22:57) What were personal things you learned?

Dec 5, 2023 • 31min
#7 Why RevOps should report to the CEO, Haris Odobasic, Revenue Wizards
This episode is all about RevOps reporting structures and compensation. Haris Odobasic shares learnings and tips from his work at Tesla, Oracle, Datamaran, Greenomy and Revenue Wizards that will help you organize your RevOps reporting and comp in the best possible way.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
Who RevOps should report to - and who not
Why structuring RevOps compensation can be difficult
How RevOps in the US compares to RevOps in Europe
You can find more information about Haris here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/harisodobasic/
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/ Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/ Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Marker:
(00:00:00) Introduction/Who would you let RevOps report into?
(00:07:33) What do you think about reporting to the CFO/COO and is there a role where you should never report into?
(00:14:25) How do you create a good compensation scheme?
(00:19:54) What's relevant in splits in RevOps?
(00:23:05) Why is there a lack of RevOps in Europe and how would you compare Europe to the US?
(00:29:04) What advice would you give yourself when starting your career all over again?

Nov 28, 2023 • 37min
#6 Why RevOps needs to focus more on the buyer journey - Charlie Cowan, Revenue Acceleration Expert
We talk with Charlie also known as RevOps Charlie about RevOps as a strategic function getting an end-to-end view on the buyer journey. And we'll dive into how RevOps organization change in context of the size of the company.
As a bonus: Charlie shares how to write a book.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
How can you simplify buyer experience?
How do RevOps change in the different stages of a business?
Charlie’s opinion in founders being into RevOps
You can find more information about Charlie here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliecowan/
RevOps Letter: https://www.getweflow.com/revopsletter
Janis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philippstelzer/
Philipp on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiszech/
Weflow: https://www.getweflow.com/
Marker:
(00:00:00) Introduction/How can you create that much content in such a short amount of time?
(00:03:36) Is there any learning from creating so much content and how do you deal with RevOps?
(00:13:40) Are there specific things you recommend to exembrace this buyer enablement simplicity?
(00:22:04) Who should the buyers talk to?
(00:25:29) How do RevOps change in Series A/B?
(00:31:57) Should founders be in the RevOps and what are typical errors in this stage?