The Operations Room: A Podcast for COO’s

Bethany Ayers & Brandon Mensinga
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Oct 23, 2025 • 51min

83. How Storytelling Can Get You What You Want

In this episode we discuss: How storytelling can get you what you want. We are joined by David Pullan, author, speaker, coach, and gold miner.Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with David Pullan: How can leaders use storytelling to make their ideas unforgettable?What makes a message stick in people’s minds long after the meeting ends?Why do leaders often overlook the importance of how they communicate, not just what they say?How can storytelling build trust and psychological safety within teams?What practical steps can leaders take to transform everyday communication into moments of influence?References https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-pullan-4b0619a/www.thestoryspotters.comBiography David Pullan and his wife and business partner, Sarah Jane McKechnie, first met in a rehearsal room over thirty years ago and have been collaborating ever since. From acting alongside Shirley MacLaine, performing for Henry Kissinger, and filming in the former Yugoslavia (with Robert Downey Jr dancing on the table), to cooking a chicken live on stage, their careers have been defined by spotting, shaping and sharing stories in unexpected ways.Together, through their company The Story Spotters, they draw on their backgrounds as performers, coaches, scriptwriters and hypnotherapists to help clients master the communication moments that matter. Their book, The DNA of Engagement, offers a story-based approach to building trust and influencing change in today’s noisy corporate world.To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary00:14:40 – Why stories matter more than facts00:17:37 – Meeting people where they are00:20:23 – How stories help ideas stick00:23:04 – A leader’s process for shaping communication00:28:27 – Common mistakes leaders make with storytelling00:31:07 – Switching gears: the role of vulnerability00:36:26 – How authenticity shapes perception00:39:13 – Balancing emotion and logic in leadership stories00:42:03 – Why psychological safety is essentialThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy
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Oct 16, 2025 • 41min

82. Resilience in Organisations

In this episode we discuss: Resilience in Organisations. We are joined by Aušrinė Keršanskaitė, Co-founder of Operations Nation.Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Aušrinė Keršanskaitė: How can leaders tell the difference between true resilience and simply powering through burnout?When is “just-enough process” better than perfect systems in a growing company?Which of the five types of resilience—optimistic, stoic, pragmatic, active, or existential—do you rely on most at work?What happens when imposter syndrome hits even the most experienced operations leaders—and how can you use it to grow?Why might learning to walk away from the wrong role or battle be the most resilient decision of all?References https://www.linkedin.com/in/ausrinewww.operationsnation.comBiography Aušrinė Keršanskaitė is a seasoned operations leader, community builder, and connector at heart. With over a decade of hands-on experience guiding startups from scrappy pre-seed beginnings to thriving Series B stages, she knows firsthand what it takes to build strong foundations and empower people along the way.For the past five years, Aušrinė has been the driving force behind Operations Nation, a community-powered knowledge hub that connects and empowers hundreds of operations leaders around the world. Operations Nation offers a safe, supportive space for ops professionals to share advice and “ops war stories,” helping each other survive, grow, and thrive in their careers.A firm believer that operations is the backbone of every great company, Aušrinė combines her operational expertise with a deep passion for bringing people together and building community wherever she goes.To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary05:00 — Balancing speed versus sustainability in scaling operations11:00 — Timing back-office investments and compliance readiness15:00 — Re-orgs, structural resilience, and organizational adaptability17:00 — Introduction to the Five Types of Resilience framework21:00 — Deep dive into each resilience type with personal stories28:30 — Imposter syndrome and trusting your gut as a leader33:00 — Redefining success and boundaries in operations roles37:00 — Shared vulnerability and leadership resilience39:30 — Final takeaway: putting your own oxygen mask on firstThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy
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Oct 9, 2025 • 40min

81. The Intentional Organization

Join Mathias Meyer, an executive coach and startup founder, and Sara Hicks, a product leader from top tech firms, as they delve into the nuances of creating an intentional organization. They explore the transition from startup to scale-up, discussing the vital need for regular product shipping and the real costs of delays. They emphasized reshaping meeting culture for better outcomes and the careful balance of leadership dynamics. Plus, they share insights on hiring for growth while maintaining cultural fit and the pitfalls of misusing OKRs.
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Oct 2, 2025 • 45min

80. Navigating Through an Uncertain World

In this episode we discuss: Navigating through an uncertain world. We are joined by Jillian Reilly, Author, Global change facilitator,  Keynote speaker, and International aid veteran. Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Jillian Reilly: What does it really take to be an effective facilitator of change within an organisation?How can operators lead confidently in uncertainty without overpromising outcomes?When should leaders rely on intuition over data—and how do they build that instinct?Can resilience be intentionally developed, or is it only forged through hardship?How do you balance empathy with accountability when leading teams through tough transitions?References https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillianreilly/https://jillreilly.substack.com/www.tenpermissions.comBiography Jillian Reilly is a founder, writer, keynote speaker, and consultant with 30 years’ experience in social, organisational, and personal change across Africa, Asia, and Central Europe. She helps people navigate change and accelerate growth, and is the author of The Ten Permissions (forthcoming), which challenges outdated approaches to adult life in the 21st century. Her memoir, Shame: Confessions of an Aid Worker in Africa, reflects on her early career in international development. Jillian’s work has been featured in the Washington Post, Newsweek, and the LA Times, and her TEDx talk Vain Aid offers insights from the aid industry. She also created the Courageous Conversations podcast, funded by the Ford Foundation, spotlighting African activists.  To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary00:06:10 – Becoming a change facilitator00:08:43 – Leading in uncertainty00:10:46 – Trusting intuition00:14:19 – Navigating profound change00:18:29 – Leading without a grand vision00:22:40 – Building resilience00:28:15 – Reframing setbacks00:35:50 – Holding onto purpose00:42:10 – Empathy vs. accountability00:44:05 – Final reflectionsThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy
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Sep 25, 2025 • 45min

79. Making Legal Work for Your Scale-Up

Helen Goldberg, Fractional General Counsel and COO at LegalEdge, shares insights on navigating the complex legal landscape for startups and scale-ups. She discusses how to avoid founder bottlenecks, the importance of strategic hiring, and the evolving role of marketing in driving sales. Helen highlights AI's potential to streamline legal processes while maintaining quality and emphasizes the need for pragmatic risk management. She also tackles common pitfalls in contract management, cap table ownership, and the benefits of using playbooks for legal efficiency.
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Sep 18, 2025 • 44min

78. The Pitfalls on The Path to Exit

Dirk Sahlmer, Head of Origination at saas.group, is an expert in acquiring and scaling capital-efficient SaaS companies. In this discussion, he explores the balance between ambitious growth and team capacity, the dangers of micromanagement, and how offshoring can impact company culture. Dirk also shares insights on the 'bootstrap future' for scaling sustainably and the essential elements for effective due diligence. He emphasizes the importance of documentation and readiness to avoid deal-breakers, urging leaders to come prepared for success.
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Sep 11, 2025 • 34min

77. How does AI change the approach to professional development?

Join Anna Tavis, Clinical Professor at NYU, for a riveting conversation on the future of professional development in the age of AI. She discusses redefining career success beyond traditional ladders and critiques our current learning systems as ineffective. Anna explores AI-powered coaching, likening it to sports training for personalized growth. The impact of AI on management roles is examined, revealing potential for mentorship, while also highlighting the necessity of equity in AI tools. A thought-provoking take on adapting to a new work landscape!
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Sep 4, 2025 • 45min

76. Authenticity in Leadership

In this discussion, Matthew Stone, an experienced executive coach at ME Consulting specializing in leadership development, dives into the essence of authenticity in leadership. He emphasizes the importance of curiosity and active listening in building trust and engagement. Matthew unpacks how one-on-one meetings can transform into powerful tools for retention and inclusion when managed effectively. He also shares insights on the role of emotional intelligence and vulnerability in fostering strong leadership connections.
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Mar 20, 2025 • 9min

75. The Announcement Episode

In this episode we chat about what's going on in our lives, share some life changing news, and announce the new seasoned approach. Going forward, we'll be releasing 10 episodes at a time, starting June 5th 2025. Join our WhatsApp community: https://chat.whatsapp.com/J8w0bDV0pBtHUPzlvmzTgb Stay tuned! This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy
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Mar 13, 2025 • 39min

74. The Art and Science of 1:1 Meetings

Join Dr. Steven Rogelberg, a Chancellor’s Professor at UNC Charlotte and a pivotal figure in meeting science, as he dives into the art and science of one-on-one meetings. He reveals how cancellation sends unintended signals that can erode trust. Listening, he argues, trumps speaking for effective engagement. Furthermore, structured meetings can enhance productivity and team inclusion. Discover why many managers struggle with these interactions—not due to apathy, but a lack of training to make them meaningful.

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