
The Recipe with Kenji and Deb
Hi, we’re Deb Perelman (Smitten Kitchen) and J. Kenji López-Alt (Serious Eats, The Food Lab, The Wok). We’re professional home cooks, which means we can - and will - make the same meal 57 times in a row on the quest for the perfect recipe. Is it crazy? For us, no, because we do this for a living. But for you? Yes, probably. Which is why you should listen to The Recipe with Kenji and Deb. You'll hear us talk about what goes into writing our recipes — the techniques we test, the ingredients we taste — so that you can be on your way to creating your own perfect recipe. Whether you're cooking meatloaf, pancakes, or chicken soup in all its forms, we got you, and you've got this.The Recipe with Kenji and Deb is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX, a network of independent and listener-supported podcasts. Discover audio with vision at radiotopia.fm.
Latest episodes

Apr 22, 2024 • 43min
Grilled Cheese
Exploring the debate over grilled cheese sandwiches, unique ingredients and techniques to elevate the classic sandwich, perfecting the grilled cheese with techniques and bread choice, and creative ways to enjoy grilled cheese including turning it into a taco shell.

Apr 8, 2024 • 41min
Tomato Soup
Exploring the nostalgia and versatility of tomato soup, Kenji and Deb share classic recipes and innovative variations. They discuss flavor complexity, spice levels for kids, and caramelized cream soup development. The hosts also delve into cultural variations and the perfect pairing of grilled cheese with tomato soup for a fun culinary experience.

Mar 25, 2024 • 44min
Pancakes
Deb and Kenji explore various pancake styles like tall and fluffy, crisp and fluffy, thin and crispy, and the popular Japanese soufflé pancake. They discuss the importance of baking soda, baking powder, and buttermilk in pancake recipes. The hosts share their quest for the absolute fluffiest pancake and discuss different pancake recipes.

Mar 11, 2024 • 36min
Meatloaf
Kenji and Deb reminisce about their history with meatloaf, sharing their favorite recipes and discussing the evolution of this classic dish. They explore the art of making the perfect meatloaf, from unique ingredients like marmite to mastering moistness and exploring fun variations like meatloaf burritos and sandwiches.

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Feb 26, 2024 • 38min
Stovetop Mac and Cheese
Explore the journey of perfecting stovetop mac and cheese with unique ingredients, techniques, and cheese choices. Discover the childhood nostalgia and culinary experiments in recreating this classic dish as a comforting, creamy meal option.

Feb 12, 2024 • 2min
Introducing: The Recipe with Kenji and Deb
New from Radiotopia, The Recipe with Kenji and Deb. Join us to hear what goes into writing our recipes — the techniques we test, the ingredients we taste — so that you can be on your way to creating your own perfect recipe. Whether you're cooking meatloaf, pancakes, or chicken soup, we got you, and you've got this. Episode 1 drops February 26. Follow us on Instagram @kenjianddeb and visit our website.
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Oct 5, 2023 • 36sec
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The Recipe - coming to Radiotopia in 2024!
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