

XL Legal
Shelley Appleby-Ostroff
Are you a lawyer looking to excel in today’s legal profession? Join host Shelley Appleby-Ostroff, legal talent development consultant and writing coach, as she talks to successful lawyers and leading industry experts who share their knowledge, insights, and advice on topics like: increasing productivity; overcoming perfectionism; developing a personal brand; improving communication skills; building client relationships – and much more.
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Jun 21, 2023 • 32min
Writing Effective Affidavits with Sakina Babwani
Sakina Babwani, a litigator and former journalist, shares her invaluable insights on affidavit drafting. She discusses the critical moments to write an affidavit and what essential details to include. Sakina emphasizes the importance of choosing the right affiant and the art of storytelling in legal documentation. The conversation dives into crafting clear narratives, avoiding emotional language, and tailoring each affidavit to resonate with judges. With practical tips on preparation and revisions, this dialogue is a must-listen for anyone looking to master the art of affidavit writing.

Jun 7, 2023 • 39min
Using LinkedIn to Become a Recognized Thought Leader with Jay Harrington
Jay Harrington is a prominent business coach and strategist focused on helping lawyers enhance their practices. He shares invaluable insights on leveraging LinkedIn for thought leadership, emphasizing its role in attracting clients. Discover the importance of creating original content over sharing links, and learn strategies for consistent posting and engaging with audiences. Jay also discusses generating content ideas and the benefits of starting small while building a professional presence on LinkedIn.

May 24, 2023 • 49min
Writing Content Marketing Articles with Bull Garlington
Bull Garlington shares his expertise and advice about content marketing for lawyers. Bull’s an award-winning content marketing writer, author, and speaker.
Topics discussed include:
Finding the balance between strategy and creativity
Developing engaging, helpful content that responds to your readers’ needs
Weaving keywords into a narrative
Why the quality of your writing matters
When to hire a content writer
“Cursing your way to better writing”
Key writer’s hack: READ ALOUD
To learn more about Bull, and read samples of his work, visit:
https://bullgarlington.com/creativewriterpro/
https://allamericanwhiskey.com/author/prettyprettygoatboy/
https://bullgarlington.com/
https://www.attorneyatwork.com/?s=bull+garlington
For free excerpts from Bull’s upcoming travel memoir, Fat in Paris, visit: https://books.bookfunnel.com/collection
This episode contains 50 minutes of Professionalism Content
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May 10, 2023 • 59min
Breaking the Cycle of Poor Sleep with Marlee Boyle & Leah Corkum
Sleep consultants, Marlee Boyle and Leah Corkum, share their expertise about lawyers’ struggles with sleep – and tips to overcome them. Marlee and Leah are the founders of Sleep Works Consulting, and creators/presenters of the popular law society webinars: “The Business of Sleep: A Productivity and Success Toolkit for the Legal Practitioner”, and “Sleep and your Wellness: More Info on the Business of Sleep”.
Topics discussed include:
Why it’s important to get a good night’s sleep
Signs of fatigue
Common sleep disruptors
Adjusting light exposure and other practical strategies to promote a good night’s sleep
Sleep and travel
To learn more about Marlee and Leah, and their work – and book a free 15-minute consultation – visit their website. While you’re there, check out their favourite items available for purchase on Amazon.
This episode contains 1 hour of Professionalism Content
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Apr 26, 2023 • 42min
Demystifying Digital Marketing with Annette Choti
Digital marketing expert and lawyer, Annette Choti, shares her expertise and advice about digital marketing for lawyers. Annette’s the owner/founder of the legal digital marketing agency Law Quill, a podcaster, and a bestselling author.
Topics discussed include:
What SEO is and why it’s important for law firms
Creating a digital marketing strategy
Branding
Website
SEO content
Social media marketing
Repurposing content and using social media scheduling tools
How to get free backlinks
Why you shouldn’t use AI tools to write content
To learn more about Annette and her work, visit her website, read her blog, listen to her podcast, order her book, or connect with her directly on LinkedIn
This episode contains 40 minutes of Professionalism Content
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Apr 12, 2023 • 32min
Mastering our Personal Finances with Rho Thomas
Rho Thomas shares practical tips to help manage our money and mindset to improve our personal finances. Rho’s a lawyer turned financial coach who believes that true wealth is having control of our time.
Topics discussed include:
Rho’s journey from BigLaw associate to financial coach
Taking the emotion out of personal finances
Financial coaching vs. financial advising
Why we should be intentional with our spending
How making a budget creates freedom, not deprivation
What to expect when working with a financial coach
Thinking of each financial choice as a trade-off
To learn more about Rho and her work, visit her website, check out her wealthyesque podcast, or connect with her directly on LinkedIn
This episode contains 30 minutes of Professionalism Content
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Mar 29, 2023 • 42min
Plain Language Practice with Laura J. Genovich
Laura Genovich shares her expertise and advice about clear legal writing. Laura’s a practicing lawyer, legal writing professor, and author of The Plain Language Practice: A Pocket Guide for Lawyers.
Topics discussed include:
Defining plain language
Preliminary matters to consider before drafting
The difference between brevity and conciseness
Being thoughtful about the words we choose
Why critical thinking is such an important part of every writing task
Using reader-centred organizational tools
To learn more about Laura and her work, connect with her on LinkedIn
Laura’s book is available outside Canada on Amazon.com
Canadian listeners should email Laura directly to order their copy
This episode contains 40 minutes of Professionalism Content
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Mar 15, 2023 • 43min
Unpacking the National Wellness Study with Doron Gold
Doron Gold shares his insights about the National Study on the Wellness of Legal Professionals in Canada. Doron’s a mental health professional, former practicing lawyer, and member of the study’s steering committee.
Topics discussed include:
Background information about the study
Key findings and recommendations from Phase I of the study
Implementing the recommendations
The Canadian Bar Association’s free online mental health and wellness course
The importance of being kind to ourselves, including when engaging in self-talk
To learn more about Doron and his work, visit his website, follow him on twitter, or connect with him directly on LinkedIn or by email.
Additional Resources
FAQs about the study, study report, executive summary and recommendations from the report
Free online mental health and wellness course
This episode contains 45 minutes of Professionalism Content.
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Mar 1, 2023 • 39min
Handling Difficult People with Jason Stitt
Jason Stitt shares his expertise and advice about handling difficult people. Jason’s a “recovering” lawyer, mediator, and trainer who provides training in dispute resolution, negotiation and dealing with difficult people through the Stitt Feld Handy Group.
Topics discussed include:
Changing the way we see and respond to difficult people
Managing our reactions to behaviors that bother us
Becoming a better listener
How to know if you’re a difficult person
The impact of taking real responsibility for our behavior
To learn more about Jason, visit Stitt Feld Handy Group
Or connect with Jason directly on LinkedIn
This episode contains 40 minutes of Professionalism Content.
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Feb 15, 2023 • 40min
How to Become a Workday Warrior with Ann Gomez
Ann Gomez talks about her new book, Workday Warrior: A Proven Path to Reclaiming your Time. Ann’s a productivity expert who’s worked with many law firms and lawyers. She’s also the founder of the training company Clear Concept Inc, an inspiring speaker, and a bestselling author.
Topics discussed include:
What inspired Ann to write Workday Warrior
How Workday Warrior differs from other books about time management and productivity
The top three barriers that sabotage our time
Three practical steps, and supporting tools, to overcome the top three productivity challenges
To learn more about Ann, visit Clear Concept Inc.
This episode contains 40 minutes of Professionalism Content.
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