Jean-Baptiste Fressoz, a French historian specializing in energy history, challenges the traditional narratives of energy transitions. He reveals the complex symbiotic relationships between coal, wood, and oil that have shaped our energy landscape. Fressoz critiques misconceptions about forests' roles in climate solutions and debunks myths around the oil industry's impact on whale conservation. He emphasizes the necessity of a realistic approach to climate action, urging a reevaluation of past predictions and adapting to our historical energy realities.

Jean-Baptiste Fressoz, a French historian of science and technology and co-author of "Chaos in the Heavens," dives into the historical roots of climate discourse. He discusses how early European colonizers, like Columbus, shaped climate perceptions to justify their actions. Fressoz highlights deforestation debates dating back to the 16th century and how climate instability influenced political upheavals, such as the French Revolution. The conversation reveals how our modern understanding of climate is steeped in centuries of history, illustrating the complex interplay between environment and society.