

Exploring with Purpose (2) with Dr. Jonathan Reams
Jonathan Reams, PhD, is currently doing action research projects exploring how to scale micro-skill development for habituating core leadership practices. He approaches this work drawing on experiences from holding a position at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) from 2007 until 2024, serving as editor-in-chief of Integral Review from 2005 to 2023, and being chief creative officer at the Center for Transformative Leadership and Adeptify.
A Few Quotes From This Episode
- "Leadership isn’t about position—it’s about behavior in the moment.”
- “We need proprioception of thought—awareness of our thinking as it arises.”
- “The feeling of being time-starved is an interpretation, not a fact.”
- “It’s not about a thousand skills to master; it’s about cultivating processes for clean thinking and wise action.”
Resources Mentioned in This Episode
- Article: Amal and Berndt’s paper on the knowing–doing gap
- Center for Creative Leadership’s DAC model
- Dynamic Skill Theory – Kurt Fischer
- David Bohm’s work on the proprioception of thought
- David Wagoner’s poem Lost
- Book: BJ Fogg’s Tiny Habits
- Book: James Clear’s Atomic Habits
- Book: Robert Kegan and Lisa Lahey’s Immunity to Change
- Book: Daniel Coyle’s The Talent Code
About The International Leadership Association (ILA)
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