Pulling The Thread with Elise Loehnen How to Release Your Burdens (Thomas Hübl, PhD and Richard Schwartz, PhD)
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Dec 4, 2025 
In a captivating conversation, Richard Schwartz, the founder of Internal Family Systems, and Thomas Hübl, an expert in collective healing, delve into the powerful themes of trauma and collective shadow. They discuss the interplay of ancestral burdens and victim-perpetrator dynamics, revealing how individual healing can ripple out to transform communities. Listeners will learn about the importance of self-leadership and the role of collective witnessing in healing, as well as practical tools to navigate internal and external conflicts.
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Forty Years Of Practice, Still Human
- Richard says his wife playfully torments him into working on his parts after 40 years of practice.
- He still gets triggered sometimes despite decades of IFS experience.
Trauma Reorganizes Internal Parts
- Parts form after trauma and take on protector or exile roles that distort behavior and belief.
- Accessing the core Self lets those parts unburden and return to their natural, valuable states.
Trauma Breaks Inner-Outer Resonance
- Trauma breaks the bridge between inner and outer regulation, reducing our ability to resonate with others.
- Healing restores that data flow so we can disagree yet remain present and solve problems together.
