The Dr. Hyman Show

The Industry Secret Keeping You Inflamed, Tired, & Bloated | Nina Teicholz & Max Lugavere

Feb 3, 2025

Join science journalist Nina Teicholz, known for her book 'The Big Fat Surprise,' and health expert Max Lugavere as they dive into the controversial world of dietary fats. They unravel the health risks of highly processed vegetable oils, revealing how these oils contribute to inflammation and chronic diseases. Discover why traditional fats like extra virgin olive oil and omega-3-rich foods are essential for health. They also tackle the historical missteps in nutrition science and the influence of the food industry on our dietary choices.

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Nina Teicholz

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Quick takeaways

Highly processed vegetable oils contribute to inflammation and chronic diseases, despite being promoted as healthy alternatives by the food industry.

Extra virgin olive oil is safe for cooking and offers significant health benefits, challenging the misconception about its low smoke point.

Deep dives

Healing Myths About Olive Oil

It is a common misconception that extra virgin olive oil should not be used for cooking due to its supposed low smoke point. In fact, people in the Mediterranean region have long utilized this oil not only for cooking but also as a finishing sauce, showcasing its versatility and health benefits. Concerns around the safety of cooking with olive oil often stem from the popularity of highly processed vegetable oils, which are mistakenly considered healthier alternatives. The reality is that traditional extra virgin olive oil, when used properly, maintains its chemical stability, contrary to many of the refined oils that are more prone to oxidation and degradation.

Intro

2min

Rethinking Fats: The Debate on Saturated vs. Unsaturated Oils

4min

Understanding Omega-3 Fatty Acids

10min

Understanding Dietary Fats and the Importance of Sleep

3min

The Rise of Industrial Oils and the Transformation of Nutritional Science

2min

The Controversy Surrounding Vegetable Oils and Trans Fats

2min

The Oil Dilemma: Health, History, and Industry

13min

The Dangers of Grain and Seed Oils

6min

Highly processed vegetable oils, derived from seeds and beans, have become a dominant part of modern diets despite significant health concerns. Historical biases in nutrition science, influenced by the vegetable oil industry, have promoted these oils despite evidence from controlled studies showing negative health outcomes. These oils are unstable, prone to oxidation, and can create toxic byproducts, particularly when exposed to heat, contributing to inflammation and chronic diseases. Although they can lower LDL cholesterol, studies have shown that this reduction does not necessarily improve heart health and may increase risks for other conditions like cancer. In contrast, traditional fats like extra virgin olive oil and omega-3-rich foods offer more stability and health benefits, emphasizing the need for a balanced, minimally processed approach to dietary fats.

In this episode, I talk with Nina Teicholz and Max Lugavere to explore the health impacts of different types of fats and oils, debunking misconceptions around cooking with extra virgin olive oil and emphasizing the dangers of industrial vegetable oils.

Nina Teicholz is a science journalist and author of the New York Times bestseller, The Big Fat Surprise, which upended the conventional wisdom on dietary fat—especially saturated fat—and spurred a new conversation about whether these fats in fact cause heart disease. She is also the founder of the Nutrition Coalition, a non-profit working to ensure that government nutrition policy is transparent and evidence-based—work for which she’s been asked to testify before the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Canadian Senate.

Max Lugavere is a health and science journalist and the author of the New York Times best-seller Genius Foods: Become Smarter, Happier, and More Productive While Protecting Your Brain for Life, now published in 10 languages around the globe. His sophomore book, also a best-seller, is called The Genius Life: Heal Your Mind, Strengthen Your Body, and Become Extraordinary and latest book Genius Kitchen. Max is the host of a #1 iTunes health and wellness podcast, called The Genius Life. Max appears regularly on The Dr. Oz Show, The Rachael Ray Show, and The Doctors. He has contributed to Medscape, Vice, Fast Company, CNN, and The Daily Beast, has been featured on NBC Nightly News, The Today Show, and in The New York Times and People Magazine. He is an internationally sought-after speaker and has given talks at South by Southwest, the New York Academy of Sciences, the Biohacker Summit in Stockholm, Sweden, and many others.

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