Brené with Aiko Bethea on Inclusivity at Work: The Heart of Hard Conversations

The Power of Transformative Change in DEI Work

In this podcast episode, Brené Brown interviews Iko Bathea, a leader in diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work. They discuss the importance of moving beyond transactional change and embracing transformative change, which involves slowing down, listening, and being introspective. They emphasize the need to create spaces where people can share their stories, be seen and valued, and work towards developing inclusive environments. The conversation shines a light on the significance of understanding and addressing internalized oppression, privilege, and the importance of centering the experiences of marginalized groups in DEI work. Overall, the episode highlights the power of empathy, vulnerability, and relational approaches in creating meaningful and sustainable change.