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The podcast episode discusses how different mediums, such as books, television, and the internet, reshape the way we think and perceive information. Marshall McLuhan's theories on the influence of communication technology are highlighted, emphasizing that the technology itself shapes our perceptions and communication more than the content conveyed through it. The arrival of the printing press and the popularity of books led to changes in visual perception and individualistic thinking. Additionally, the episode explores the concept of neuroplasticity, where our brains adapt to new communication tools, causing changes in the way we think. It also touches on the benefits of deep reading, a state where readers become fully engaged and make connections beyond the text.
The podcast delves into the challenges of deep reading in the current digital media environment. With constant distractions and information overload, it becomes harder to focus and engage deeply with books or long articles. The addictive nature of smartphones and online information disrupts our ability to concentrate and think attentively. The episode highlights research that suggests a decline in problem-solving abilities when surrounded by electronic devices. It also raises concerns about the narrowing of citations in academic literature due to the influence of search engines, limiting exposure to a broader range of scholarly ideas. Overall, the podcast suggests that deep reading and deep thinking are undervalued in a society that prioritizes productivity and information exchange.
The podcast delves into the impact of digital media on society and the mind. It explores the concept of information overload and the effects of constant stimulation and distraction on cognitive abilities. The episode raises questions about society's intelligence and our ability to engage in deep thinking and contemplation. While the internet and digital media provide benefits in terms of exchange of ideas and information, they also pose challenges to attentiveness and intellectual depth. The podcast raises concerns about losing the ability to think and read deeply, potentially leading to the homogenization of thought and the devaluation of contemplative ways of thinking. It encourages a balance between the practical and the contemplative, highlighting the importance of deep reading for intellectual fulfillment and understanding complex ideas.
The mind is often equated to a computer, with the belief that the more information we input into it, the smarter it becomes. However, this view overlooks the importance of contemplative states and the role they play in higher forms of human intelligence. Deep reading and attentive thought are critical for developing a rich base of knowledge through the consolidation of information into long-term memory. The rapid and constant flow of information from the internet and social media has made it difficult to engage in deep reading and to focus on one subject for an extended period of time. This tension raises questions about how we should best utilize the human mind.
The internet and online life have fundamentally changed our relationship with information and reading. Short-term memory, or working memory, which holds the contents of our conscious mind, has a limited capacity, making information consolidation into long-term memory essential. With the internet, we are constantly bombarded with distractions that prevent deep reading, comprehension, and retention. Links embedded in texts, once seen as enriching, actually serve as distractions and hinder deep reading. As a result, the glut of readily available information has contributed to a shallower understanding and weakened the development of rich personal connections and knowledge. This shift in the way we process information has profound implications for our ability to think deeply and critically.
In 1964, the Canadian philosopher Marshall McLuhan wrote his opus Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man. In it, he writes, “In the long run, a medium's content matters less than the medium itself in influencing how we think and act." Or, put more simply: "Media work their magic, or their mischief, on the nervous system itself."
This idea — that the media technologies we rely on reshape us on a fundamental, cognitive level — sits at the center of Nicholas Carr's 2010 book The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains. A world defined by oral traditions is more social, unstructured, and multi-sensory; a world defined by the written written word is more individualistic, disciplined, and hyper-visual. A world defined by texting, scrolling and social feedback is addicted to stimulus, constantly forming and affirming expressions of identity, accustomed to waves of information.
Back in 2010, Carr argued that the internet was changing how we thought, and not necessarily for the better. “"My brain, I realized, wasn't just drifting,” he wrote. “It was hungry. It was demanding to be fed the same way the net fed it — and the more it was fed, the hungrier it became.” His book was a finalist for the Pulitzer that year, but dismissed by many, including me. Ten years on, I regret that dismissal. Reading it now, it is outrageously prescient, offering a framework and language for ideas and experiences I’ve been struggling to define for a decade.
Carr saw where we were going, and now I wanted to ask him where we are. In this conversation, Carr and I discuss how speaking, reading, and now the Internet have each changed our brains in different ways, why "paying attention" doesn't come naturally to us, why we’re still reading Marshall McLuhan, how human memory actually works, why having your phone in sight makes you less creative, what separates "deep reading” from simply reading, why deep reading is getting harder, why building connections is more important than absorbing information, the benefits to collapsing the world into a connected digital community, and much more.
The point of this conversation is not that the internet is bad, nor that it is good. It’s that it is changing us, just as every medium before it has. We need to see those changes clearly in order to take control of them ourselves.
Book recommendations:
The Control Revolution by James R. Beniger
The Four-Dimensional Human by Laurence Scott
A Visit from the Goon Squad by Jennifer Egan
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Research Czar - Roge Karma
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