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Daniel Schmachtenberger: “Bend not Break #4: Modeling the Drivers of the Metacrisis”
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Quick takeaways
- Humans have used tools and technology to manipulate energy and atoms, leading to both positive and negative consequences.
- Global governance systems need to be rethought and coordinated to address complex challenges and keep up with technological advancements.
- Three distinct time horizons - triage, transition, and long-term solutions - are outlined for addressing pressing issues.
- Shifting from a growth-focused mindset to recognizing the sacredness of life and the interconnectedness of nature is essential for protecting the environment.
Deep dives
Humans as apex predators
Humans have the unique adaptive advantage of being able to become apex predators in every environment, surpassing the genetic adaptive capacity of other species.
The power of recursive abstraction
Humans have the ability to apply recursive abstraction, through tool making and language, allowing us to extend our physical capabilities, manipulate energy, and communicate complex information.
The agrarian revolution and resource extraction
The agrarian revolution, characterized by the development of agriculture and animal husbandry, marked a major shift in human civilization. It led to increased population growth, resource extraction, and the alteration of ecosystems.
The impact of fossil fuels and exponential growth
The discovery and utilization of fossil fuels in the 18th and 19th centuries exponentially accelerated human impact on the environment. Population growth and resource consumption per capita skyrocketed, leading to ecological disruption and exponential resource extraction.
The interconnectedness of energy, atoms, and information processing
The podcast episode explores the close relationship between energy, atoms, and information processing. It highlights how humanity has been able to extract more resources and increase its adaptive capacity, leading to both positive and negative consequences. The agricultural revolution, the discovery of fire, and the use of tools signify key leaps in our ability to manipulate energy and atoms. Additionally, the exponential growth of information processing through technological advancements is seen as a potential solution to environmental issues. However, it is noted that there are limits to this approach, and transitioning to renewable energy sources comes with its own challenges.
The need for a new approach to governance
The episode emphasizes the need to rethink governance systems and coordinate global efforts to address the complex challenges faced by humanity. It questions the effectiveness of individual nation states and corporations and advocates for a global governance model that can keep up with exponential technological advancements. The necessity of implementing deterrence mechanisms alongside incentives is highlighted, as purely incentive-based systems tend to prioritize short-term self-interest and externalize costs to the environment. The discussion also touches upon the tension between global cooperation and the risk of authoritarianism.
Triage, transition, and long-term solutions
The podcast outlines three distinct time horizons for addressing the pressing issues at hand. Triage refers to immediate actions needed to prevent catastrophic events such as nuclear war, AI risks, and planetary boundary breaches. Transition involves making gradual changes within existing systems, such as reforms in governance and economic models, to move toward a more sustainable future. Finally, long-term solutions involve reimagining governance, coordination, and technology to meet the demands of the 21st century. A grid is proposed to explore interventions in culture, governance, and technology and how they interact with different time horizons.
The shift from growth-focused mindset to a sacred perspective
The episode ends on a thought-provoking note, discussing the potential shift from a growth-focused mindset to a perspective that recognizes the sacredness of life and the interconnectedness of nature. It highlights the need to move beyond commodifying nature and instead adopt a stewardship role that honors and protects the environment. This new perspective would require a deeper understanding of the value of life and the ways in which growth can be redefined to align with the principles of sacredness and honoring the interconnectedness of all living beings.
In this fourth installment of conversations with Daniel Schmachtenberger, we dive deeper into the nuances of humans using energy, materials and technology. Human’s ability to develop and use tools is one of our greatest strengths - yet has also led to increasing destruction of the natural world. How does technology intensify the binding effects of a world order based on growth? Is there any way out - or could global solutions just make the problem worse?
About Daniel Schmachtenberger:Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue.
The throughline of his interests has to do with ways of improving the health and development of individuals and society, with a virtuous relationship between the two as a goal.
Towards these ends, he’s had particular interest in the topics of catastrophic and existential risk, civilization and institutional decay and collapse as well as progress, collective action problems, social organization theories, and the relevant domains in philosophy and science.
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