The biosphere limits as severe as they are are not what's going to get us first. We've already passed a planetary tipping point on small scale so far you know Syria was relatively small population and australia was low population density but as soon as you have australia scale things in high population density areas then you start getting world changing effects from that. The moment we're not able to service existing financial claims there is a musical chairs moment which may be getting closer because of what happened in russia and ukraine and in the uk  and so that is an additional constraint on top of all the other ones that you look at.

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