Creators And Entrepreneurs With Joe Pulizzi - TWMJ #1014

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Dec 14, 2025

Join Joe Pulizzi, founder of the Content Marketing Institute and author of 'Burn The Playbook,' as he dives into the importance of audience ownership and the creator economy. He discusses how legacy content remains valuable despite algorithm changes. Joe emphasizes building trust through repetition and focusing on audience needs over mass reach. He shares insights on networking and overcoming obstacles in creative ventures, all while navigating the balance between AI advancements and maintaining human connection.

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ADVICE

Own What You Can Control

Focus on what you can control: your website, podcast feed, events, and books.
Don’t change your entire strategy to chase temporary algorithm trends.

INSIGHT

Repetition Is A Brand Asset

Repetition builds trust and brand: say the same core ideas in slightly different ways.
Decades of consistent messaging become an asset for audience recognition and AI representation.

ADVICE

Start With Who You Serve

Start by defining who you want to serve and what keeps them up at night.
Let that audience define your business model and product decisions over time.

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Welcome to episode #1014 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation).

At a moment when careers feel increasingly precarious and algorithms quietly dictate how value is created and captured, it's worth learning from someone who has spent more than two decades helping creators and entrepreneurs reclaim ownership of their work and their futures. Joe Pulizzi is the founder of multiple influential startups, including Content Marketing Institute, The Tilt, the Content Entrepreneur Expo and is widely recognized as the person who first coined the term "content marketing" in 2001, long before it became an industry unto itself. A bestselling author of seven books, including Epic Content Marketing and Content Inc., Joe has helped shape how organizations and individuals think about audience building, trust, and long-term value creation, earning the Content Council's Lifetime Achievement Award for his impact on the field. After successfully exiting Content Marketing Institute in 2016, he expanded his creative range by writing the award-winning mystery novel The Will To Die, while continuing to host two long-running podcasts, including This Old Marketing, the longest-running marketing news podcast in the world. His latest book, Burn The Playbook: How Creators And Entrepreneurs Escape The 9–5 And Build Businesses That Last, serves as the catalyst for this conversation and reflects a deeply personal mission inspired by his children: to help people stop renting their futures and start building assets they truly own. In the discussion, Joe explores the evolution of content and audience strategy, the underestimated power of repetition in building trust, the growing importance of individual creators over faceless brands, and why human connection matters more than ever in this AI-accelerated world. He also addresses the role of paid promotion, the practical integration of AI into creative work, and why serving a clearly defined audience remains the most durable path to meaning, freedom, and sustainable wealth. Enjoy the conversation…

Running time: 59:52.
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Chapters:

(00:00) - Introduction to Joe Pulizzi's Mission. (02:54) - The Evolution of Podcasting and Legacy Content. (05:50) - Building Relationships Through Repetition. (08:59) - Understanding Audience and Business Models. (11:54) - Navigating Career Paths in a Changing Landscape. (15:07) - The Importance of Human Connection. (17:45) - Overcoming Barriers in a Digital World. (20:52) - The Power of Experimentation and New Platforms. (30:11) - Killing What Doesn't Work. (32:49) - The Power of Focused Content Creation. (36:40) - Paid Promotion vs. Organic Reach. (38:45) - Rented vs. Owned Content. (43:48) - The Individual vs. The Brand. (48:54) - AI and the Future of Content Creation. (56:43) - Redefining Success in a Changing World.