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May 25, 2025 • 51min

SPOS #985 – Kathleen deLaski On A Future Where Degrees Won't Matter

Welcome to episode #985 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Kathleen deLaski is one of the most important voices rethinking the purpose, structure, and future of higher education. As founder of the Education Design Lab and board chair of Credential Engine, she’s spent the last decade helping over 1,200 colleges, organizations, and regional economies reimagine learning pathways for next-generation students - particularly the new majority learners often left behind by traditional institutions. Her new book, Who Needs College Anymore? is a provocative and optimistic look at how postsecondary education must evolve, drawing on over a decade of field research, human-centered design, and more than 150 interviews with educators, employers, learners, and policymakers. In this conversation, we unpack the diploma divide, the rising cost of education, the friction between what college teaches and what employers expect, and how AI is rewriting the script for entry-level jobs and professional training. Kathleen - whose career spans time as a journalist at ABC News, a Pentagon spokesperson, working at AOL in the early days of the Internet, and a philanthropic force behind education reform - brings not just perspective but practical ideas on how colleges, businesses, and society must adapt. This one challenges what we think college is for, and what meaningful learning might look like in a skills-based future. Enjoy the conversation… Running time: 51:11. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Listen and subscribe over at Spotify. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on X. Here is my conversation with Kathleen deLaski. Who Needs College Anymore?. Education Design Lab. Follow Kathleen on LinkedIn. Chapters: (00:00) - The Rise of Human-Centered Design in Education. (02:45) - Challenges in Higher Education and the Need for Innovation. (06:00) - Cultural Shifts and the Value of College. (08:53) - The Diploma Divide and Its Societal Implications. (11:54) - Affordability and Access to Education. (14:47) - The Disconnect Between Degrees and Job Market. (18:06) - The Importance of Experience Over Degrees. (21:13) - Networking and Its Role in Career Success. (29:38) - The Impact of AI on Job Markets. (32:36) - The Future of Entry-Level Jobs. (36:05) - Reevaluating Professional Education. (41:35) - The Value of Trades in Modern Society. (43:06) - Digital Learning and Its Challenges. (47:17) - Generational Perspectives on Work Ethic.
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May 18, 2025 • 1h 1min

SPOS #984 – Steve Pratt On Podcasting And Unconventional Marketing

Steve Pratt, co-founder of Pacific Content and author of 'Earn It', dives deep into the art of meaningful marketing and storytelling. He discusses how many marketers get lost in short-term tactics and why brands must embrace bravery and authenticity. With insights on the content saturation challenge, he emphasizes producing quality over quantity. Pratt also explores how brands can position themselves as media powerhouses and warns against the lure of algorithm-driven strategies, highlighting the irreplaceable role of human creativity.
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May 11, 2025 • 59min

SPOS #983 – Matthew Weinzierl On Space And New Economic Frontiers

Matthew Weinzierl, a Harvard Business School professor and research associate, explores the economic dynamics of the space industry. He discusses his new book, which argues that space is emerging as a significant economic frontier. Topics include the competition fueled by SpaceX, the outdated frameworks of international space law, and the role of economists in shaping the future of space activities. Weinzierl also examines the balance between centralized control and decentralized innovation, as well as the societal benefits tied to space exploration amidst earthly challenges.
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May 4, 2025 • 49min

SPOS #982 – Ethan Kross On Management For Your Emotions

Ethan Kross, a psychology professor at the University of Michigan and author of 'Chatter' and 'Shift,' shares his insights on mastering emotions in today's chaotic world. He discusses the importance of a flexible emotional toolkit tailored to individuals. Kross highlights how negativity in media affects our emotional health and advocates for strategic news consumption. He explores the role of AI in mental wellness while emphasizing that human connections remain crucial. Ultimately, he shows how even negative emotions can fuel creativity and success.
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Apr 27, 2025 • 56min

SPOS #981 – Donald Miller On Building A Story Brand

Join Donald Miller, bestselling author and the mastermind behind StoryBrand, as he uncovers the art of storytelling in business. He emphasizes that clarity trumps cleverness in effective communication and offers insights on navigating brand messaging to build loyalty. Miller also discusses how AI is reshaping marketing while advocating for the irreplaceable value of human creativity. Plus, he shares personal anecdotes about passion and curiosity that fuel his writing and the creative process behind his latest book!
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Apr 20, 2025 • 58min

SPOS #980 – Tamara Myles On Making Work Actually Matter

Tamara Myles, an expert in meaningful work and positive psychology, dives deep into how to make work truly matter. She reveals findings from her groundbreaking study on how leaders can foster meaning in the workplace through community, contribution, and challenge. Discussing the impacts of the pandemic, she addresses rising employee apathy and the challenges of remote work. Tamara also emphasizes the need for supportive environments that can reignite passion and connection while navigating the complexities of merit and diversity in today's organizations.
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Apr 13, 2025 • 55min

SPOS #979 – Kurt Gray On Why Harm Is The Hidden Driver Of Political Outrage

Welcome to episode #979 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Dr. Kurt Gray is a social psychologist whose work couldn’t be more relevant to our times. As a professor at UNC Chapel Hill, director of the Deepest Beliefs Lab and the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding, and the author of the new book Outraged - Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground, he’s helping reshape how we understand conflict in a divided world. In this conversation, Kurt unpacked why it’s not that we’re wired differently across political lines - it’s that we perceive harm differently. He introduces ideas like the “exhausted majority,” the dangers of elite-driven outrage, and the evolutionary roots of our hypersensitivity to perceived threats. We also explore the surprising role of personal narratives in reducing division, the generational shift in how people approach morality, and how resilience - not avoidance - is what we really need when engaging across differences. His work dismantles the myth that we’re hopelessly divided and instead offers a path forward - one grounded in empathy, humility, and the science of human connection. If you’re feeling overwhelmed by the volume of moral outrage around you, this episode just might restore a little hope. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 55:13. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Listen and subscribe over at Spotify. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on X. Here is my conversation with Dr. Kurt Gray. Outraged - Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground. Deepest Beliefs Lab. Center for the Science of Moral Understanding. UNC Chapel Hill Follow Kurt on X. Follow Kurt on LinkedIn. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to Outrage and Its Relevance. (03:07) - Understanding Political Outrage and Connection. (05:55) - The Role of Elites in Political Discourse. (09:14) - The Exhausted Majority and Misconceptions. (12:05) - Moral Perception and Human Nature. (15:04) - The Evolution of Morality and Fear. (18:08) - Tribalism and Moral Progress. (21:01) - The Impact of Words and Microaggressions. (24:03) - Generational Perspectives on Discourse. (28:18) - Understanding Generational Perspectives on Misinformation. (30:02) - The Challenge of Political Centrism. (31:58) - Navigating Independent Ideologies. (33:53) - The Impact of Technological Change on Society. (35:40) - The Role of Personal Stories in Bridging Divides. (39:34) - The Power of Personal Experiences in Conversations. (42:19) - The Competing Narratives of Victimhood. (46:51) - Moral Ambiguity in Victimhood and Survival. (49:18) - The Momentum of Change and Hope. (55:27) - Building Resilience in Difficult Conversations.
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Apr 6, 2025 • 59min

SPOS #978 – Christopher DiCarlo On AI, Ethics, And The Hope We Get It Right

Welcome to episode #978 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast. Dr. Christopher DiCarlo is a philosopher, educator, author, and ethicist whose work lives at the intersection of human values, science, and emerging technology. Over the years, Christopher has built a reputation as a Socratic nonconformist, equally at home lecturing at Harvard during his postdoctoral years as he is teaching critical thinking in correctional institutions or corporate boardrooms. He’s the author of several important books on logic and rational discourse, including How To Become A Really Good Pain In The Ass - A Critical Thinker’s Guide To Asking The Right Questions and So You Think You Can Think?, as well as the host of the podcast, All Thinks Considered. In this conversation, we dig into his latest book, Building A God - The Ethics Of Artificial Intelligence And The Race To Control It, which takes a sobering yet practical look at the ethical governance of AI as we accelerate toward the possibility of artificial general intelligence. Drawing on years of study in philosophy of science and ethics, Christopher lays out the risks - manipulation, misalignment, lack of transparency - and the urgent need for international cooperation to set safeguards now. We talk about everything from the potential of AI to revolutionize healthcare and sustainability to the darker realities of deepfakes, algorithmic control, and the erosion of democratic processes. His proposal? A kind of AI “Geneva Conventions,” or something akin to the IAEA - but for algorithms. In a world rushing toward techno-utopianism, Christopher is a clear-eyed voice asking: “What kind of Gods are we building… and can we still choose their values?” If you’re thinking about the intersection of ethics and AI (and we should all be focused on this!), this is essential listening. Enjoy the conversation... Running time: 58:55. Hello from beautiful Montreal. Listen and subscribe over at Apple Podcasts. Listen and subscribe over at Spotify. Please visit and leave comments on the blog - Six Pixels of Separation. Feel free to connect to me directly on Facebook here: Mitch Joel on Facebook. Check out ThinkersOne. or you can connect on LinkedIn. ...or on X. Here is my conversation with Dr. Christopher DiCarlo. Building A God - The Ethics Of Artificial Intelligence And The Race To Control It. How To Become A Really Good Pain In The Ass - A Critical Thinker’s Guide To Asking The Right Questions. So You Think You Can Think?. All Thinks Considered. Convergence Analysis. Follow Christopher on LinkedIn. Follow Christopher on X. This week's music: David Usher 'St. Lawrence River'. Chapters: (00:00) - Introduction to AI Ethics and Philosophy. (03:14) - The Interconnectedness of Systems. (05:56) - The Race for AGI and Its Implications. (09:04) - Risks of Advanced AI: Misuse and Misalignment. (11:54) - The Need for Ethical Guidelines in AI Development. (15:05) - Global Cooperation and the AI Arms Race. (18:03) - Values and Ethics in AI Alignment. (20:51) - The Role of Government in AI Regulation. (24:14) - The Future of AI: Hope and Concerns. (31:02) - The Dichotomy of Regulation and Innovation. (34:57) - The Drive Behind AI Pioneers. (37:12) - Skepticism and the Tech Bubble Debate. (39:39) - The Potential of AI and Its Risks. (43:20) - Techno-Selection and Control Over AI. (48:53) - The Future of Medicine and AI's Role. (51:42) - Empowering the Public in AI Governance. (54:37) - Building a God: Ethical Considerations in AI.
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Mar 30, 2025 • 57min

SPOS #977 – Dan Heath On How To Change What's Not Working

Dan Heath, a bestselling author known for his influential books on organizational change, joins to share insights from his latest work, 'Reset.' He discusses the importance of momentum in fostering workplace progress and how focusing on employee experience is crucial for success. The conversation reveals why many leaders overlook vital feedback and the systemic issues behind the Great Resignation. With a blend of research and storytelling, Dan emphasizes the power of small changes in transforming stagnant organizations and enhancing job satisfaction.
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Mar 23, 2025 • 1h 5min

SPOS #976 – Jennifer Moss On Creating Work Everyone Wants

Jennifer Moss, a speaker and author specializing in workplace culture and burnout, discusses critical shifts in how we view work post-pandemic. She highlights the pressing need for organizations to adapt to hybrid work models, fostering trust and flexibility. Moss addresses the impact of AI and ‘bullshit jobs’ on employee engagement and proposes innovative productivity metrics. Drawing from her research, she shares actionable solutions for creating a fulfilling work culture that values emotional connections and well-being.

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