The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Gaya Herrington: "Humanity’s Soul: Life or Growth?"
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Quick takeaways
- To achieve a more sustainable future, humanity needs to prioritize human services over material production and let go of the pursuit of growth.
- Addressing income and wealth inequality is crucial for a sustainable future as it leads to social tensions, reduced trust, and increased environmental impact.
- Reducing global disparities in wealth and poverty alleviation are essential for progress towards a sustainable world.
- Empowering women and achieving gender equality are leverage points for positive change and promoting sustainability.
Deep dives
Insight 1: Shift resources from industrial output to human services
In order to avoid collapse and achieve a stabilized world, humanity needs to consciously let go of the pursuit of growth and redirect resources away from material production and towards human services such as education and healthcare.
Insight 2: Reduce income and wealth inequality
Addressing income and wealth inequality is crucial for a more sustainable future. Inequality not only leads to social tensions and reduced trust, but also contributes to increased conspicuous consumption and environmental impact.
Insight 3: Alleviate poverty and reduce global inequalities
In addition to reducing inequality within countries, it is important to alleviate poverty and reduce global disparities in wealth. The current system, driven by growth, perpetuates social and economic inequalities, which hinders progress towards a more sustainable world.
Insight 4: Gender equality and female empowerment
Empowering women and achieving gender equality is a key leverage point for creating positive change. Gender equality is not only essential for social justice, but also plays a crucial role in promoting sustainability and partnership models of societal organization.
Insight 5: Transition to renewable energy and sustainable agriculture
Transitioning to renewable energy sources and adopting sustainable agricultural practices are vital environmental levers for a more sustainable future. By reducing dependence on fossil fuels and adopting regenerative farming methods, we can mitigate climate change and ensure food security.
The Impact of Income Inequality and the Need for Local Food Production
Income inequality is eroding the middle class, with women experiencing a 50-50 split between moving up to the upper class and moving down toward poverty. For men, the split is 30-70, with 70% ending up in the lower class. This unequal impact highlights the need for change. One solution being explored is the possibility of local food production, which can provide valuable resources, create distributed systems, and offer an alternative to traditional careers like computer programming. Shifting societal values away from status based on certain professions will be crucial to achieve a cultural shift. The concept of sacredness is also discussed, emphasizing the need to see planetary limits as something inherently valuable. Respecting these boundaries is connected to respecting personal boundaries and the sense of sacredness in life.
Financialization, Value Creation, and the Need for Change
The financial industry has become disproportionately large, prioritizing growth over other considerations. However, it is not solely finance that is prioritized, but rather the pursuit of growth as the primary goal. This push for growth at all costs has led to market failures and a disconnect between financial value and the value of natural capital. To shift the finance system from value extraction to value creation, it is essential to prioritize the well-being of people and the planet. Reducing income and wealth inequality through higher taxes and closing tax loopholes is a necessary step. Additionally, changing the goal of the economy from never-enough to enough-for-all is crucial. Making this shift requires a fundamental change in mindset and a reevaluation of societal goals.
On this episode, Nate speaks with econometrician and sustainability researcher Gaya Herrington about her new book, Five Insights for Avoiding Global Collapse, a more in-depth and personal telling of her 2021 review of the Limits to Growth (LTG). More than 50 years after the original LTG report was released, the model trajectories remain both relevant and controversial, as we continue with the ‘business as usual’ scenario, in which the LTG model resulted in collapse. Why are we stuck on this road and how are our growth based economic systems optimized to keep us there? Is it possible to shift our goals to a different path, away from growth, focused on the well-being of all life? Can we plan or mitigate the path to descent?
About Gaya Herrington:Gaya is a Dutch econometrician, sustainability researcher, and women's rights activist. Gaya holds masters’ degrees in both econometrics and sustainability studies. After becoming disillusioned by initially working in the financial sector Gaya became the executive director of StoereVrouwen, a non-profit Dutch women's movement promoting sustainable economic policies through activism. In 2014, Herrington became the Director of Sustainability Services of KPMG. Most recently, her study on the projections made in the 1972 Limits to Growth report was widely publicized internationally. She is currently Vice President Sustainability Research at Schneider Electric.
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