Growth in and of itself is fine, that's what it is. My one year old daughter grows, that's fine. At a certain point, you know, if you still keep growing while you're maybe, you're already an adult, that could be, could potentially be bad. It's making it the ultimate goal to always pursue growth at the expense of anything else that’s wrong. We were still below our planetary boundaries. Our ecological footprint on our global ecological footprint was still below the or scurrying capacity. So at that point, we could have had a smooth theoretically possible transition towards that scurries capacity without an necessarily collapse pattern.

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