Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

338: Anthony Tallman of Burgeon Packs Big Flavor into Lean West Coast Pale Ales, IPAs, and Pils

Jan 7, 2024

Anthony Tallman, expert in packing big flavor into lean West Coast Pale Ales, IPAs, and Pils, discusses impacts of pilsner malts, varying boil times, achieving measured IBUs with no hot-side hops, inadvertently making a clear hazy IPA, watering back to lower whirlpool temperatures, techniques based on hops, focusing on hot-side hops, and finding balance in lower-ABV West Coast pils.

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Quick takeaways

The impact of various pilsner malts on pale ales, IPAs, and lagers.

Experimenting with different hop schedules and layering hops for depth and drinkability in West Coast IPAs.

The challenge of achieving balance between intense West Coast hops and light-bodied Pilsner structure in West Coast Pilsners.

Deep dives

Burgeon Beer Company's Brewing Journey

Anthony Talman, co-founder and head brewer of Burgeon Beer Company, shares his brewing background and the path that led him to start his own brewery. He started as a homebrewer and honed his skills through various brewing jobs before founding Burgeon Beer Company in 2016.

Introduction

4min

The Journey in the Brewing Industry

5min

The Evolution of West Coast Pale Ales and IPAs

6min

Constructing a West Coast IPA Recipe

5min

Building a Malt Base for Special IPAs

16min

Difference in Hop Flavor and Layering Hops

5min

The Sensory Experience and Flavor Enhancement of Beer

20min

Future Plans and Growth Strategies for Bergen

3min

Sponsor Promotions and Burgeon Beer Discussion

3min

Lean is all the rage in hop-forward West Coast–style beers, from pilsner to IPA, and paring beers back to their bare necessities has been a significant focus for Burgeon’s Anthony Tallman. Yet the quest for crisp-and-drinkable doesn’t mean sacrificing flavor, and recent experimentation has given Tallman a fresh perspective on the ultra-minimal approach.

In this episode—which is focused especially on Carlsbad Crush, winner of multuple GABF medials in the International-Style Pale Ale category—Tallman discusses what has and has not worked with their clear hop-forward beers, including:

the impacts of various pilsner malts on pale ales, IPAs, and lagers
shortening and lengthening boil times for certain beers
achieving significant measured IBUs in a beer with no hot-side hops
inadvertently making a would-be hazy IPA drop clear via knockout dry hopping
watering back to lower whirlpool temperatures
varying techniques based on the hops in a recipe
focusing on hot-side hops for increased package longevity
finding balance in lower-ABV West Coast pils

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