Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

This week’s interview wasn’t initially intended for the podcast and wasn’t recorded that way (Brewing Industry Guide subscribers read it last month), but the topics are salient and the audio listenable, so we thought it would be an interesting change of pace. Lester Jones is the VP of Analytics and Chief Economist for the National Beer Wholesalers Association, and has some pretty deep data-driven insight into what is reality and what is just vibes in today’s world of beer sales which he shares in this conversation. Throughout, we try to unpack what’s actually going on, comparing anecdotal experience to real sales data, for a more accurate picture of the opportunities and challenges in today's beer world. This episode is brought to you by: G&D Chillers (https://gdchillers.com): For years G&D Chillers has chilled the beers you love, partnering with 3,000+ breweries across North America and beyond. With our 24/7 service and support, your brewery will never stop. Remote monitor your chiller for simple and fast access to all the information you need, and gain peace of mind your operation is running smoothly. Berkeley Yeast (https://berkeleyyeast.com). Berkeley Yeast bioengineers ordinary strains and make them extraordinary—enhancing the flavors you want and eliminating the ones you don’t. Visit berkeleyyeast.com to learn more and start brewing with science on your side. Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): As breweries expand beyond beer into other segments like mocktails and CBD beverages, Old Orchard is here to help. We can formulate custom blends featuring specialty ingredients. More information and free samples are waiting at oldorchard.com/brewer. Indie Hops (https://indiehops.com) Lórien seamlessly combines traditional elements of European noble hops with an elegant twang of American modernity. Learn more about Lórien and the rest of Indie’s varieties at www.indiehops.com. Indie Hops — Life is short. Let’s make it flavorful. XTRATUF (https://xtratuf.com) XTRATUF has been making rugged and reliable boots for 75 years. Built for the harshest conditions, the Legacy Collection styles are oil, acid, and chemical resistant with a non-slip rated outsole. Be prepared for whatever comes your way and shop the latest XTRATUF boots on xtratuf.com. Veterans Blend from Yakima Chief Hops (https://www.yakimachief.com) The 8th Annual Veterans Blend from Yakima Chief Hop is available through pre-order! $1 from every pound sold of Veterans Blend will be donated to this year’s non-profit Soldier’s Angels. Plan ahead and place your Veterans Blend pre-order with Yakima Chief Hops at yakimachief.com. Brewery Workshop (https://breweryworkshop.com) If you’re launching a brewery or acquiring an existing one, consider our brewery workshop and new brewery accelerator, September 14 through 17th in Fort Collins, Colorado. Over four days, we engage in panel discussions, technical brewery tours, networking, and small working group sessions that help you better understand and prepare for the challenges of brewery operation. Tickets are on sale now. Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

For Jordan Childs, cofounder and head brewer of the U.K.-based brand Mash Gang, you don’t hit the right balance in nonalcoholic beer by nudging a traditional beer recipe one way or another. “The best beers feel like a cohesive collection of a bunch of spiky parts pulling apart from each other,” he says. “The outlier flavors are what make craft beer interesting.” If there’s a method for making nonalcoholic beer, he’s tried it, and in this episode he shares the ingredients and processes that don’t make great beer—as well as those that do. Along the way, Childs discusses: their iterative creative process of testing, learning, trashing, and brewing again filling the gaps left by the absence of ethanol deliberately choosing poorly attenuating ingredients how ethanol removal is responsible for “a lot of bad beer” taking a low-intervention approach to nonalcoholic beer controlling sugar at a finite level and doing everything wrong, on purpose using modern hop products and modern food products for greater control hops that do and don’t work in nonalcoholic beer avoiding the unfermented wort character food safety in the nonalcoholic context And more. This episode is brought to you by: G&D Chillers (https://gdchillers.com): For years G&D Chillers has chilled the beers you love, partnering with 3,000+ breweries across North America and beyond. With our 24/7 service and support, your brewery will never stop. Remote monitor your chiller for simple and fast access to all the information you need, and gain peace of mind your operation is running smoothly. Berkeley Yeast (https://berkeleyyeast.com). Berkeley Yeast bioengineers ordinary strains and make them extraordinary—enhancing the flavors you want and eliminating the ones you don’t. Visit berkeleyyeast.com to learn more and start brewing with science on your side. Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): As breweries expand beyond beer into other segments like mocktails and CBD beverages, Old Orchard is here to help. We can formulate custom blends featuring specialty ingredients. More information and free samples are waiting at oldorchard.com/brewer. Indie Hops (https://indiehops.com) Lórien seamlessly combines traditional elements of European noble hops with an elegant twang of American modernity. Learn more about Lórien and the rest of Indie’s varieties at www.indiehops.com. Indie Hops — Life is short. Let’s make it flavorful. XTRATUF (https://xtratuf.com) XTRATUF has been making rugged and reliable boots for 75 years. Built for the harshest conditions, the Legacy Collection styles are oil, acid, and chemical resistant with a non-slip rated outsole. Be prepared for whatever comes your way and shop the latest XTRATUF boots on xtratuf.com. Cryo Fresh from Yakima Chief Hops (https://www.yakimachief.com) Cryo Fresh from Yakima Chief Hops combines the innovation of Cryo Hops with the Frozen Fresh Hop concept of YCH Trials 301 and 302, capturing the aromatic vibrancy of fresh hop harvest in an easy-to-use pellet form. Visit yakimachief.com for more information. Brewery Workshop (https://breweryworkshop.com) If you’re launching a brewery or acquiring an existing one, consider our brewery workshop and new brewery accelerator, September 14 through 17th in Fort Collins, Colorado. Over four days, we engage in panel discussions, technical brewery tours, networking, and small working group sessions that help you better understand and prepare for the challenges of brewery operation. Tickets are on sale now. Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

It’s no secret that the craft-brewing industry is facing headwinds, and with that comes brewery closures and a flourishing used-equipment market. But as we all know, buying and integrating used equipment doesn’t mean just plug and play: It requires strategic planning, thorough integration, thoughtful modernization, and on-the-fly creative problem solving. If you’re building a new brewery, an expansion brewery, or upsizing the brewhouse in your current facility by combining used and new equipment, this episode is designed to help you maximize value and optimize your operations. This episode is brought to you interruption-free by First Key Consulting. First Key is the leading brewing and beverage industry consulting firm, having worked around the world in more than 50 countries for more than 35 years. First Key has some of the most talented, interesting, and experienced experts who provide their clients with independent and comprehensive advice and work with them to implement solutions in every area of their business. Service areas include strategy and finance, engineering, operations, supply chain and sustainability, marketing and sales, and people and organizational performance. For more background information, including client case studies and leadership group, please visit www.firstkey.com. Panelists for this episode include: Mike Gerhart, Senior Advisor, Technical Services at First Key Consulting Mike works with breweries of all sizes and scales to optimize performance, scale operations, and navigate complex projects from greenfield builds to existing facility equipment integrations. Before joining First Key, Mike had more than 25 years of experience working with breweries such as Hill Farmstead, Dogfish Head, Otter Creek, and Coors. Reach out to Mike directly at mike.gerhart@firstkey.com. Andy Joynt, Director of Brewing at Big Grove Brewery Andy is responsible for all beer made at Big Grove’s five different operations, including two production facilities and three taprooms. Under Andy’s leadership, Big Grove has become the number one top selling craft beer in Iowa, surpassing Blue Moon and Leinenkugel’s. Big Grove has received multiple awards including World Beer Cup, GABF, and U.S. Open Beer.  Tim Wolf, Senior Advisor, Engineering Services at First Key Consulting Tim focuses on capital project management, process, utilities, and packaging engineering, as well as operational improvements projects. Before joining First Key, Tim spent 15 years with AB InBev in engineering and project management roles where he worked on various brewery projects across the 18 breweries in North America. He also managed and led integration and expansion projects for their craft breweries. Reach out to Tim directly at tim.wolf@firstkey.com. Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

Montreal’s Messorem strikes an urban pose—the old factory building in a gritty industrial zone is covered with graffiti, and looks more likely to hold underground raves than contemporary brew days. But that’s part of the charm that the founders sought out, as the brand makes no claim to appeal to everyone. If you know, you know, and beer drinkers in Quebec (and now around the United States) increasing seek out their intensely flavorful IPAs because of their unique and creative point of view. Cofounder and head brewer Vincent Ménard has seen the brewery through rapid growth over the past eight years, and shares his perspectives on brewing IPA in this week’s episode. Along the way, he touches on: pasteurizing IPA without shredding hop character making drinkable hazy IPA despite higher finishing gravities using the lowest Lovibond grain for very pale hazy IPA color favoring the dry hop over whirlpooling for hazy IPA hop additions finding a place for new products like YCH 803 layering a range of hop flavors with both traditional pellets and advanced hop products expressing fruit and hop flavors and aromas in sour IPA pitch-lining a wooden foeder for use as a lagering tank And more. This episode is brought to you by: G&D Chillers (https://gdchillers.com): For years G&D Chillers has chilled the beers you love, partnering with 3,000+ breweries across North America and beyond. With our 24/7 service and support, your brewery will never stop. Remote monitor your chiller for simple and fast access to all the information you need, and gain peace of mind your operation is running smoothly. Berkeley Yeast (https://berkeleyyeast.com). Berkeley Yeast bioengineers ordinary strains and make them extraordinary—enhancing the flavors you want and eliminating the ones you don’t. Visit berkeleyyeast.com to learn more and start brewing with science on your side. Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): As breweries expand beyond beer into other segments like mocktails and CBD beverages, Old Orchard is here to help. We can formulate custom blends featuring specialty ingredients. More information and free samples are waiting at oldorchard.com/brewer. Indie Hops (https://indiehops.com) Lórien seamlessly combines traditional elements of European noble hops with an elegant twang of American modernity. Learn more about Lórien and the rest of Indie’s varieties at www.indiehops.com. Indie Hops — Life is short. Let’s make it flavorful. XTRATUF (https://xtratuf.com) XTRATUF has been making rugged and reliable boots for 75 years. Built for the harshest conditions, the Legacy Collection styles are oil, acid, and chemical resistant with a non-slip rated outsole. Be prepared for whatever comes your way and shop the latest XTRATUF boots on xtratuf.com. Cryo Fresh from Yakima Chief Hops (https://www.yakimachief.com) Cryo Fresh from Yakima Chief Hops combines the innovation of Cryo Hops with the Frozen Fresh Hop concept of YCH Trials 301 and 302, capturing the aromatic vibrancy of fresh hop harvest in an easy-to-use pellet form. Visit yakimachief.com for more information. Brewery Workshop (https://breweryworkshop.com) If you’re launching a brewery or acquiring an existing one, consider our brewery workshop and new brewery accelerator, September 14 through 17th in Fort Collins, Colorado. Over four days, we engage in panel discussions, technical brewery tours, networking, and small working group sessions that help you better understand and prepare for the challenges of brewery operation. Tickets are on sale now. Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

There was a time in Boréale’s not-so-distant past when they might have released a new beer every other year. The brewery is one of Quebec’s oldest craft breweries, dating back to the late 1980s, and over its history it has seen waves and trends come and go. But the changing dynamics of craft brewing in the 2010s posed a different kind of challenge that required a new way to approach innovation and risk-taking. Then head brewer, now vice president of innovation, Gabriel “Gab” Dulong played a big part in that adjustment, getting the brewery into the unfolding world of production-scale hazy IPA in 2016, then pushing hard into nonalcoholic NA beer through the pandemic. Today, the brewery remains one of the largest craft breweries in Quebec—and only in Quebec—producing about 100,000 barrels of beer per year. But innovation is now core to their DNA. In this episode, Dulong discusses: helping an established brewery transition to the market realities of the past decade reorienting to sell on quality and ingredients instead of price point building a new approach to cold-chain storage to properly distribute hazy IPA in Quebec generating internal knowledge in NA brewing developing style-dependent processes for different NA beers experimenting with specialized yeasts before settling on tight processes with standard brewing yeasts building mouthfeel and intensity without alcohol in beer hopping with modern hop products in NA beer malt selection for hazy IPA manipulating final gravity for NA versions of core brands And more. This episode is brought to you by: G&D Chillers (https://gdchillers.com): For years G&D Chillers has chilled the beers you love, partnering with 3,000+ breweries across North America and beyond. With our 24/7 service and support, your brewery will never stop. Remote monitor your chiller for simple and fast access to all the information you need, and gain peace of mind your operation is running smoothly. Berkeley Yeast (https://berkeleyyeast.com). Berkeley Yeast bioengineers ordinary strains and make them extraordinary—enhancing the flavors you want and eliminating the ones you don’t. Visit berkeleyyeast.com to learn more and start brewing with science on your side. Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): As breweries expand beyond beer into other segments like mocktails and CBD beverages, Old Orchard is here to help. We can formulate custom blends featuring specialty ingredients. More information and free samples are waiting at oldorchard.com/brewer. Indie Hops (https://indiehops.com) Lórien seamlessly combines traditional elements of European noble hops with an elegant twang of American modernity. Learn more about Lórien and the rest of Indie’s varieties at www.indiehops.com. Indie Hops — Life is short. Let’s make it flavorful. Steel Chill Cups (https://SteelChillCups.com) Steel Chill-Cups are the perfect promotional tool! Crafted from 100% recyclable steel and proudly made in the USA. Discover how Steel Chill-Cups can “Put your brand on every pour”—visit SteelChillCups.com today! Arryved (https://www.arryved.com) Not only does Arryved offer a world-class POS built specifically for breweries, but they also provide Arryved Brewery Management, e-commerce, and more to help breweries scale and thrive. Visit arryved.com to learn more. Paktech (https://www.paktech-opi.com) With a minimalist design, durable functionality you can rely on, and custom color matching, PakTech helps brands stand out while staying sustainable. Trusted by craft brewers nationwide, they offer a smarter, sustainable way to carry your beer. To learn more, visit paktech-opi.com Brewery Workshop (https://breweryworkshop.com) If you’re launching a brewery or acquiring an existing one, consider our brewery workshop and new brewery accelerator, September 14 through 17th in Fort Collins, Colorado. Over four days, we engage in panel discussions, technical brewery tours, networking, and small working group sessions that help you better understand and prepare for the challenges of brewery operation. Tickets are on sale now. Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

Join Ross Hunsinger, Hops Brand Director for Abstrax, Jude LaRose, Co-founder of Hop Butcher for the World, and Tyler Thurman, R&D Manager at Highland Park Brewery as they explore the intersection of cannabis and brewing. They discuss innovative techniques for crafting unique flavors using terpenes and hop extracts. From creating low ABV beers to experimenting with molecular gastronomy and quantum processing, the trio shares insights on pushing the boundaries of flavor. Discover how technology and creativity combine to revolutionize beer production.

Jean-Phillippe Lalonde, the inventive lager brewer and owner of Silo Brewing in Montreal, has been perfecting continental-style lagers for nearly 15 years. He shares his journey of opening a brewery during the pandemic and his vision for crafting flavorful, traditional lagers. Lalonde discusses innovative techniques like pseudo-decoction and the balance of sweetness and bitterness, while playfully challenging the norms of dry hopping. His approach seamlessly blends North American hops with classic European styles, showcasing the rich craft beer culture flourishing in Montreal.

The focus of this spotlight episode is hot-side process improvements that will make your brew day quicker, more reliable, and more consistent. We get into the nitty-gritty of tank jackets, grist hydration, lauter-tun geometry, pressure differentials, kettle heating, and more, with a clear focus on lean manufacturing, reducing variability with Six Sigma DMAIC models, optimizing systems for the chemical and physical processes of brewing, workflow improvement for efficiency with provable ROI, and more. Joining for this conversation are: Kevan McCrummen: owner and head brewer of Vantage Point Brewing in Coeur D’Alene, Idaho Matthew Whitaker: sales engineer for Boiler Technologies Unlimited Vernon Spaulding: president and owner of Providence Process Solutions This in-depth discussion about hot-side process is brought to you interruption-free by Miura, the global leader in modular on-demand steam solutions. Miura’s boiler solutions are efficient, safe, and reliable, with flexible fuel options, compact footprints that fit today’s breweries, modular expandable systems that grow with your brewery, and monitoring technology that gives you peace of mind. Their boilers are backed by the industry’s only pressure-vessel guarantee against corrosion, and they offer a full lineup of equipment that integrates with your boiler, from water softening to de-aeration, reverse osmosis, and more. Learn more or contact them at Miuraboiler.com. Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

Estate-grown barley, hops, and fruit are the engines that power the beers at Macallen Farm and Brewery, and multigenerational farmer (and brewery founder) Ryan Allen embraces agriculture as a creative tool in his brewing process. Whether it’s heirloom barley varieties grown in intentional ways to optimize flavor profiles, or it’s Cascade hops that he lets hang for extra weeks to develop deeper fruit notes, there are few variables that he’s not willing to test and push in pursuit of the perfect flavor and aroma. In this episode, Allen discusses: growing heirloom barley for taste before yield choosing beer styles for different barley varieties and harvest conditions brewing test batches of every recipe, each year, to adjust recipes to the new crop weather impact on growth and flavor in barley controlling for pests through methods such as crop rotation adjusting water profiles to complement year-to-year barley flavor changes malting in-house for an additional layer of control choosing when to pick C-hops to optimize citrus and mango flavors varying the pick times for a single hop variety to achieve different expressions managing dry whole-cone hops in the brewhouse growing and processing estate-grown fruit for beer juicing the fruit, then using the skins for color adjustment And more. This episode is brought to you by: G&D Chillers (https://gdchillers.com): For years G&D Chillers has chilled the beers you love, partnering with 3,000+ breweries across North America and beyond. With our 24/7 service and support, your brewery will never stop. Remote monitor your chiller for simple and fast access to all the information you need, and gain peace of mind your operation is running smoothly. Berkeley Yeast (https://berkeleyyeast.com). Berkeley Yeast bioengineers ordinary strains and make them extraordinary—enhancing the flavors you want and eliminating the ones you don’t. Visit berkeleyyeast.com to learn more and start brewing with science on your side. Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): As breweries expand beyond beer into other segments like mocktails and CBD beverages, Old Orchard is here to help. We can formulate custom blends featuring specialty ingredients. More information and free samples are waiting at oldorchard.com/brewer. Indie Hops (https://indiehops.com) Lórien seamlessly combines traditional elements of European noble hops with an elegant twang of American modernity. Learn more about Lórien and the rest of Indie’s varieties at www.indiehops.com. Indie Hops — Life is short. Let’s make it flavorful. Steel Chill Cups (https://SteelChillCups.com) Steel Chill-Cups are the perfect promotional tool! Crafted from 100% recyclable steel and proudly made in the USA. Discover how Steel Chill-Cups can “Put your brand on every pour”—visit SteelChillCups.com today! Arryved (https://www.arryved.com) Not only does Arryved offer a world-class POS built specifically for breweries, but they also provide Arryved Brewery Management, e-commerce, and more to help breweries scale and thrive. Visit arryved.com to learn more. Paktech (https://www.paktech-opi.com) With a minimalist design, durable functionality you can rely on, and custom color matching, PakTech helps brands stand out while staying sustainable. Trusted by craft brewers nationwide, they offer a smarter, sustainable way to carry your beer. To learn more, visit paktech-opi.com Brewery Workshop (https://breweryworkshop.com) If you’re launching a brewery or acquiring an existing one, consider our brewery workshop and new brewery accelerator, September 14 through 17th in Fort Collins, Colorado. Over four days, we engage in panel discussions, technical brewery tours, networking, and small working group sessions that help you better understand and prepare for the challenges of brewery operation. Tickets are on sale now. Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

Derrick Robertson, cofounder of BreWskey in Montreal, brings a wealth of knowledge as a former process engineer. In this engaging discussion, he shares his innovative approach to brewing, highlighting the importance of experimentation with ingredients and methods. Derrick details how he adjusts BreWskey's beer program weekly, adapting to tourism trends. He dives into crafting unique styles like witbier and hazy IPAs, focusing on flavor balance without excessive haze. His insights into the evolving craft beer scene in Quebec and the challenges of brewing in a historic setting are captivating.