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The #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Tune in every week to hear Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno and Asad Zaman discuss and debate the trends, news, and developments impacting the B2B tech world. Enjoy the hot takes, strong opinions, and dry humor.
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Feb 27, 2025 • 18min
SPOTLIGHT: Kyle Lacy of Jellyfish on Improving Pipeline Quality and Forecasting Predictability
In this discussion, Kyle Lacy, CMO of Jellyfish and a seasoned SaaS marketer, shares insights on building a quality pipeline in B2B markets. He reveals why traditional metrics are outdated and discusses the impact of launching a Pipeline Council to align sales and marketing. The conversation also highlights forecasting pitfalls, the transformative role of AI in marketing, and the balance between technology and creativity. Kyle's journey emphasizes the importance of originality in copywriting and adaptation in a rapidly evolving landscape.

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Feb 23, 2025 • 1h 7min
E97: Dead or Alive? The Great Outbound Sales Debate
Is outbound sales truly dead? The hosts passionately debate this controversial topic in B2B sales, probing whether traditional methods still hold value. They discuss the rising importance of partner-led growth and brand marketing while analyzing cold call connect rates. Insights on boardroom dynamics and the human touch in customer service are shared, alongside the role of AI and productivity tools. Listeners are invited to join the conversation, balancing humor with industry intelligence.

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Feb 20, 2025 • 22min
SPOTLIGHT: Shensi Ding of Merge on the High-Stakes Search for a Stage-Appropriate CRO
Shensi Ding, Co-founder and CEO of Merge, discusses the critical search for a Chief Revenue Officer as her company scales after Series B funding. She reveals the complexities of finding a CRO who can adapt to Merge’s unique culture while also driving enterprise sales. Shensi shares her hands-on recruitment strategies and the importance of balancing traditional sales experience with modern skills. Additionally, she emphasizes the value of personal growth through reading and fitness, showcasing how these pursuits enhance leadership.

Feb 16, 2025 • 1h 8min
E96: The B2B Marketing Identity Crisis
A viral LinkedIn post sparks a lively debate on the evolving role of B2B marketing. The hosts question whether marketing is too pipeline-focused, pushing CMOs aside for CROs. They discuss the delicate balance between short-term revenue goals and long-term brand building. Humor sneaks in as they reflect on odd boardroom antics and local sports culture. The importance of effective communication, feedback, and the collaboration between sales and marketing is emphasized, highlighting how emotional pressures shape the industry.

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Feb 13, 2025 • 21min
SPOTLIGHT: How Josh Guttman Landed Investors for SELLIT9 by Being Himself
Josh Guttman, co-founder and CEO of SELLIT9, shares insights from his extensive experience in SaaS sales and his transition to entrepreneurship. He reveals how he navigated the challenges of fundraising, learning that VCs seek belief and connection over hard sales tactics. Josh emphasizes the power of authenticity and storytelling in his successful pre-seed round. He also discusses the resilience needed in the entrepreneurial journey and details SELLIT9's innovative tech marketplace, allowing Canadians to sell devices for cash.

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Feb 9, 2025 • 1h 12min
E95: Growth vs. Efficiency in 2025
Hosts dive into the dynamics of building teams in Latin America, highlighting compensation arbitrage and offshoring. They discuss the competition North American junior talent faces from skilled international professionals and the impact of AI on job roles. The challenges of hiring sales reps for complex deals are tackled, with a focus on how AI can take over routine tasks. They also explore OpenAI's Deep Research release and its potential operational benefits for businesses, urging listeners to rethink compensation and recruitment strategies.

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Feb 6, 2025 • 28min
SPOTLIGHT: Co-CEO Alina Vandenberghe on Taking Over Marketing to Scale Demand at Chili Piper
Alina Vandenberghe, Co-CEO and acting CMO of Chili Piper, shares her dynamic journey in scaling marketing for a B2B tech company. She discusses the challenges of aligning data-driven strategies with business goals, particularly in a saturated market. Alina emphasizes the importance of creativity, using humor and provocation to engage audiences. She also delves into navigating demand generation during economic downturns and the essential skills for effective marketing leadership, highlighting the balance of technical prowess and emotional intelligence.

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Feb 2, 2025 • 56min
E94: Navigating AI Challenges in Established Tech Companies
Dive into the world of AI and its impact on tech companies as the hosts discuss the stark differences between AI-first and AI-enabled businesses. Explore the challenges leaders face when integrating AI into operations and the rise of new roles in AI Ops. The conversation highlights outdated go-to-market strategies and the necessity for innovative compensation models that extend beyond sales. With insights on recruitment and balancing daily tasks with long-term strategy, learn why embracing AI is crucial to staying competitive in the tech landscape.

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Jan 30, 2025 • 22min
SPOTLIGHT: Keith Frankel of Totango on Creating a Unified Culture in Mergers
Keith Frankel, Chief Product Officer at Totango and a leader in enterprise AI, shares keen insights on merging company cultures after acquisitions. He discusses challenges faced when integrating teams from Tel Aviv and New York, emphasizing the vital role of open communication. Frankel also highlights the importance of addressing cultural divides and enforcing consistent processes to unite diverse teams. Moreover, he reflects on his journey from philosophy to tech, stressing that prioritizing personal happiness can enhance professional satisfaction.

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Jan 26, 2025 • 1h 15min
E93: Dissecting Carta's 2024 State of Startups Report
Dive into the latest insights from Carta's State of Startups report, revealing the surge of down rounds impacting startups in 2023 and 2024. Discover the intriguing rise of solo founders, who now make up 36% of the startup scene. The hosts share personal stories about leveraging AI tools like ChatGPT for business decision-making. They also reflect on evolving company cultures and management styles, emphasizing personal growth and authentic communication as vital strategies for navigating today's challenges.


